Where Is The Love

Discussion in 'Suicidal Thoughts and Feelings' started by Wishbone, Feb 19, 2008.

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  1. Wishbone

    Wishbone Member

    They say no one owes you a living. Why then do I owe money to live?
    We need to keep the facts in perspective. American life is a rigid society. Depression is anger turned inward. Taking your own life in Asia is considered honorable.
    Trying does not earn you anything in America, only succeeding. American government is good at punishing and collecting taxes but they do not help you .
    If one cannot conform, he or she is blamed and then ostrisized. Solve the problem by blaming the victim. True or False?
  2. Random

    Random Well-Known Member

    This is the way of it (unfortunately). Nobody cares what you tried to do (unless you tried to do something bad and then it's considered the same, or worse, than having actually done it). Only what you have done.

    If you tried and it didn't work, you just didn't try hard enough.

    That isn't true, of course. But it's the only thing people can say because to say otherwise would be to admit that their system and their society isn't perfect and everyone who has problems functioning within it is deliberately doing something wrong and/or just not trying hard enough.

    The government might help you but it will only do so for so long. It can't do so for extended periods of time because people start whining and complaining about how unfair it is that their taxes go to help people less fortunate than they are. Even though the people on the lowest rungs of society are usually the very people who prop them up and allow them to be successful in the first place. For every mult-millionaire, there are probably a thousand peasants toiling away and actually making their success possible.

    If they sell things, the peasants are usually the ones buying them.
  3. pit

    pit Well-Known Member

    I found out that in Denmark, the government pays for health care and education. They care about their people, and there is a security net if you fail.

    I'd like to clarify to all the patriots out there that America is not number one. Out of all the countries in the world, we have the highest incarceration rate. So punishment has become big business here. There are hardly any more state mental hospitals. So the mentally sick people who resided there are being treated in prisons. Abuse is synonymous with care here.

    Despite our technological "progress", our work weeks are still long, and employers keep cutting back on benefits. And outsourcing and bottom lining habits are employer priorities number one when it comes to treating workers.

    America has no right to teach other countries how to live. We need to straighten up our own shit before we do that. We still have a lot to learn. These days, I could care less if I wind up on the streets. Everything's going down the drain anyway.
  4. pit

    pit Well-Known Member

    Btw, Random, I love your avatar. Cute and fuzzy creatures give me a warm feeling inside.
  5. I can't really speak to the subject as I'm not American (and btw - I've often wondered who decided, through that name, to imply that it's the entire continent...let alone on only one of two...but I digress already)

    However, all that's been said so far is echoed loudly by many people/friends that I've known over the years, and my first gut reaction was to say "AMEN!" on their behalf. Now, you can bet someone's gonna come along, and full of furious indignation/patriotism say something (***) like, "Yeah, well - NO country is PERFECT!" - but that's exactly the perverse ideal that's portrayed! (and as for the naysayers, well...you know..."If you're not FOR us, then you're AGAINST us!" ...who said that again??):dry:

    (and how does that attitude go hand-in-hand with "sacred" Free Speech...)

    O'boy - this thread's gonna rawk...

    btw - George Carlin, who is American once said, "The reason they call it the American Dream is because you have to be asleep to believe it"
  6. Zodi

    Zodi Anitiquities Friend

    So true.

    I worked full time but had no insurance offered to me by my employer. I now work 4 days a week and get State insurance while I look for a better job so I can have it.

    Mental health is not covered. If I have to go to the hospital, I have to pay for it 100%...on my wages. Um, if I made a decent wage I would have never ended up in this boat to begin with.

  7. I agree with you, pit. I saw a video clip about Denmark from "CBS' 60 Minutes" television news program. I would rather have been born in Denmark, than here in the US.
  8. Wishbone

    Wishbone Member

    It's frustrating that there are no solutions. Medication for the depressed is only a pacifier - An excuse so they can say there is something wrong with me -I can't cope -I can't take the pressure -I'm not employable. I know there are millions of Americans out there that feel this way. Our government wants to take everything away(Social Security, for example). If only there was a way to unite everyone out there with these problems to make some changes. Our Soldiers are out there sacrificing more than I can possibly imagine and even they are getting the royal shaft. If the problem is that there are too many people for every job then why do they make it so difficult to take your own life rather than complain? As a citizen I would like to walk in to any pharmacy and for a few dollars purchase pills for a quiet, clean, peaceful exit.
  9. Random

    Random Well-Known Member

    As I said, they must insist that there is something wrong with anyone who can't function in their society because to do otherwise would be to admit what they refuse to admit. That sometimes (Perhaps more cases than anyone realizes), it's society's fault and not yours.

    Actually, it isn't really the government who wants to take everything away. It's other people who don't need the social programs. They're just selfish little bastards who think if it isn't doing them any good, there's no point in it even existing and it just kills them to think a dollar of their taxes goes to help someone out who probably can't help themselves. Their philosophy is always that everyone can help themselves and if they don't appear to be trying (Which, usually, people who don't appear to be trying tried as hard as they could for as long as they could and finally gave up in despair), they should be forced to or left to die on the street.

    So, they vote for people who agree with their philosophy and that is why the social programs get taken away. Government is necessary and not all government is bad. It's just that human nature sucks. People are greedy and self-centered. Those who have more than they really need want to keep every penny of it. Never mind that it is the society they live in and the people all around them (and those they look down their noses at) who make their success possible.
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