Why do people want to throw away life?

Discussion in 'Opinions, Beliefs, & Points of View' started by screwback, Oct 16, 2008.

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  1. screwback

    screwback Member

    I know this is a suicide forum, but why do people constantly feel the need to actually tell somebody, either on here or in the normal world that they are going to kill themselves? Surely if you are going to kill yourself you would just do it without telling anybody, well i would anyway. Everybody who suffers mentally has their absolute sh*t days, where they feel as though life is no longer living but 99% of people just wallow in their own self pity. If you are actually going to do something (I know this make come across harsh to some people) then just do it.
    Pick the most reliable form of suicide and go through with it, the end. I know people need sympathy, respect, attention and love in return for most of the things they comment on here but surely if you are fed up with life that much then just end it. There are plenty of people out there that actually want to live life but don't have the choice (terminal illnesses etc.), so i think when people actually moan daily about how they want to kill themselves because of their less severe circumstances (most occasions) it's a bit selfish.
    I have been very ill myself the past couple of months, and it's only recently that i have actually started to look around and think to myself that it literally is a miracle that we are breathing and are self-aware of our existence. I admit that sometimes the thought actually creeps into my mind, i have thought about ways of doing it etc, but am not at the stage where i would actually go through with it because i am not severely ill.
    But like i said before, and i am not trying to get people here to throw themselves off bridges etc:laugh:, if you do want to end your life seriously then why not just do it in the most reliable fashion and when NOBODY is around to help, maybe then there will be less 'failed attempts'.

    I'm not trying to hurt anybody's feelings i just feel strongly about people that always make threads and comments about 'this is the last straw' and 'i'm gonna do it' etc., and then they ultimately do nothing or end up being saved in the nick of time (coincidently..). I have been reading these forums for a while now, and these threads do come up nearly every 30 mins or so. Please people just try to look on the bright side of life, and think of MILLIONS of people less fortunate than you (there is always someone worse off), people dying, people waiting for organ transplants etc. I know you probably think that you aren't bothered what happens to you, but trust me put yourself in the position of people that are going to die no matter what, then you will think again...
  2. Pingu

    Pingu Well-Known Member

    nobody wants to feel suicidal or depressed, reason we havent killed ourself yet? we want to get better. and thats why we're on this forum.
    i think nobody wants to die, unless they have some really disturbing ideas in their head that they will get reborn rich, pretty and popular..
    but then we have people like me, who wont recover :mad: just on this site because they got nothing else to do.. just waiting for the right day!
  3. AlexDanish

    AlexDanish Account Closed

    Congratulations on making an observation that has obviously never been made before :rolleyes: If you don't want to hurt anybodies feelings, then don't say anything you fucking moron. Reminds me of the phrase "With all due respect..." when someone says this, they obviously don't intend to pay the receiving end any respect at all, so I can only assume from your post that you are indeed a stupid git, or someone who doesn't actually care about offending others.

    Yeah, people are depressed. Some people just want a little bit of hope, which is why they post here. They WANT to know that at least SOMEBODY, SOMEWHERE, actually cares.

    "I don't like the way my parents/boyfriend treats me". WELL THERE ARE PEOPLE DYING IN AFRICA!


    "I have a problem with (reason)" WELL DON'T BE BECAUSE OF THIS (REASON).

    Do you understand that the rhetoric you keep vomiting out is old and used? It's not like we DON'T understand that some of us are lucky. But depression is different for alot of people. If someone suffers from schizophrenia, or bi polar disorder, they don't GET to be happy whenever they choose.

    Some people are self-deprecating. THAT'S WHO THEY ARE. Who cares if they wallow in their self pity? They just use it as a defense barrier because they've been harmed in the past. Some people attempt suicide on impulse, without knowing of the proper ways. Some people want to be found and saved. Yeah, it's a little bit selfish. But it does give them the attention and treatment they need. If they do attempt something like that, there obviously is something deeper that needs to be talked about, perhaps these people WANT TO GET BETTER.

    So in the end, you're "DO IT, DO IT RIGHT. PEOPLE SUFFER WORSE THAN YOU". It's old. It's used. It's offensive. It's mean. I sincerely hope you seriously consider shutting the fuck up in the future.
  4. aoeu

    aoeu Well-Known Member

    Well, maybe some of those of us on here have some EMPATHY for the people around us. Telling people that you're suicidal is a means of getting help - this, in turn, allows us to not kill ourselves and save everyone a lot of anguish.

    People suffer worse? Really? I'd say we're pretty much at the bottom of the barrel, given that we lack HOPE, which is why we're suicidal.
  5. Mightbehere

    Mightbehere Well-Known Member

    I admit it can be annoying to read those posts I myself have posted one or two but obviously people who are depressed arn't thinking correctly in the first place and a few simple words or words from someone who is not as upset about the same things as you can help, it can help to know your not alone.

    This is a support site not a judgment site. I can relate to what your saying though.
  6. screwback

    screwback Member

    I know that people cannot control their own actions or emotions sometimes, but the whole 'aww i took a load of pills now save me' thing is OLD too. It's a simple concept, you don't want to live right? Then just end it, IT'S SIMPLE.
    Obviously many people aren't in that much pain if they cannot go through with it without letting everyone else know about it first.
    It's funny how certain people react when a point is made that could be possibly considered as detrimental towards people that are experiencing problems, which i might like to add many many people suffer with everyday without moaning at every verse end.

    I don't personally care what people think of me because i know there is at least some element of truth involved in what i am saying. Answer me a question, what is the point in committing suicide? It is to die, correct? Not to be wasting people time and hurting your family.

    And without any doubt there are people that feel lower than most people on here. I'm guessing that near enough everybody comes from a industrialized part of the world, with medication, technology and many other things that poorer people haven't got but just have to get on suffering with.
    People think that they have got it bad when their supposed 'loyal boyfriend' of 1 year breaks up with them and goes with somebody else? What about people that have had their family killed, are infected with AIDs and have to bring up a whole family on their own(talking mainly about Africa) whilst suffering with MORE symptoms then anybody could possibly imagine. But nobody cares to think about these because they are so enthralled in their own struggle with 'a very hard life'.

    It's like somebody that keeps saying 'I'm going to do [this] soon' over and over again. If it's that bad then just end it fgs, it's like an endless circle of people passing around sympathy and words of comfort, that ultimately have no affect on the individual anyway either because they are actually craving attention or they 'think' they want to die.
    I sincerely do not want to hurt anybodies feelings, and hope that nobody actually commits suicide, but i think that the way in which people act and sometimes 'milk it' as they say, has a detrimental affect on not only this community but on many others too.

    Also you state that some people want to be found and then saved? That to me makes no sense whatsoever, if you are going to do a job then do it properly. I'm sure a very high percentage that use the internet and forums to chat about this topic will still be here in 20-30 years time discussing the same thing, which lets face it, is like being stuck in a rut.

    I understand 'crys for help', and that is the reason that many people feel the need to be saved after a purposely botched attempt. Again, if life is so bad then most people will be over the moon with getting a terminal disease right? I doubt it.
  7. palmtrees

    palmtrees Well-Known Member

    People talk about wanting to die because they want to get help somehow. Sometimes one minute you want nothing more than to fade to black, the next minute you're terrified and have no idea what to do to stop that feeling from coming back. The stuff about depressed people just being attention whores who have it way better than so many other people really grates on my nerves, ranking up there with blaming poor people for poverty and telling them to shut up, suck it up and work harder.

    Some people's brains are just plain not well-equipped to deal with stress and intense emotions. It doesn't mean that they're crybabies, and it doesn't help when people ridicule them or tell them to just kill themselves when they try to talk about it. In fact, they've probably been holding all that stuff in for quite awhile because that's the result they expect from anyone.

    Another thing is the whole "this person has it worse than you" thing. If we actually take this to its logical conclusion, there's always someone who has it worse except the most unlucky person on earth who's, like, Job times 6 billion. And he or she is the only person who is justified in feeling depressed or "feeling sorry for himself". Do you really believe this? Do you think if someone's being tortured you should say to them "Jimmy down in cell B is being tortured twice as bad as you, you should stop complaining and be happy for what you have going for you"? By the way people in third world countries tend to have very close-knit societies, their families and friends are a lot more supportive. So just because they have it bad materially doesn't mean that some depressed college student in New York has it better in every respect.

    By the way nobody's actually saying they have it worse than anyone on earth. How anyone makes the jump from interpreting "I feel so shitty I'd rather die than live like this" to mean "No one has it worse than I do" is astonishing to me. It also doesn't mean a suicidal person has no compassion for anyone else or feels no appreciation for other people. These are just weird assumptions that stem from self-righteousness and misunderstanding.
  8. screwback

    screwback Member

    So what is actually being said is that every person with a mental illness, regardless of their circumstances, is in the same position and suffers the same severity of it? I doubt it. That's like saying that somebody who is mentally unstable and has just split up with a long time partner is in the same position as somebody else with the same mental issues, but instead living in poverty and having his whole family and friends slaughtered.The person with more terrible events and atrocities happening in their life will always be deemed to be worse off imo. I'm not saying be happy for what you have got, i think that you should appreciate what others are going through that you thankfully aren't.
    Mental illness is a terrible disease i understand that, and fully respect anybody living with it because i think it is possibly one of the most debilitating conditions out there. But at the same time, there are more life threatening conditions about that could bring an abrupt stop to your existence without even asking for it. So i think a positive can be taken out of having mental illness.
  9. palmtrees

    palmtrees Well-Known Member

    Yeah, no. That's not what's being said. Honestly if you're going to objectively compare how bad people feel mentally you probably have to do a brain scan on them. I agree that the first person is far more LIKELY to be more healthy/functional/sane than the second person, but it's an extreme example. And there's probably a point where a relatively healthy person's brain crosses into suicidal/emergency level, and person 1 and person 2 are both there, it's just that person 2 is a lot farther past the line. That doesn't mean you should be judgmental and insensitive to person 1.
  10. ac9ac9

    ac9ac9 Member

    I request admin to move this topic to other forum, as it obviously doesnt belong in this one.
  11. Abacus21

    Abacus21 Staff Alumni

    Moved to the Soap Box, for more 'debatory' type purposes.
  12. HappyAZaClaM

    HappyAZaClaM Guest

    got it. all points duly noted. and along those lines, if you don't like
    the material or the text(s) on this forum, log out. have a nice day
  13. HappyAZaClaM

    HappyAZaClaM Guest

    it aint goin over like nightime baseball in this section either :biggrin:

    BUT, you had a good point and thanks for bringing that up. pretty lame
    stuff all in all. *sniff sniff* hmmmm...smells like troll scent to me. the OP,
    not you :dry:
  14. Spearmint

    Spearmint Well-Known Member

    Though...I'm wondering..Is knowing someone out there is suffering worse than you supposed to be comforting, supposed to make you feel better?
  15. Eric

    Eric Well-Known Member

    Interesting topic, definitely will have to read all posts tomorrow.
  16. HappyAZaClaM

    HappyAZaClaM Guest

    depends who you ask? me? nope. it only means one additional person
    is suffering. don't make me feel a damn bit better.
  17. zzz

    zzz Well-Known Member

    “It's a simple concept, you don't want to live right? Then just end it, IT'S SIMPLE.”

    No, taking your own life is very difficult. So difficult in fact that most people are not able to do it, no matter how much they are suffering.
  18. JohnADreams

    JohnADreams Well-Known Member

    Who says we dont? Since when does being laboured with a constant emotional burden and complaining about it, make you automatically heartless to all others that suffer? I think you're projecting your own bias onto others and your illness has made you believe that only those with equal or greater sufferering than yourself have valid reasons to complain.
    It isnt a single disease or condition, it's a diverse group of conditions. I'm assuming that by saying you respect those with it, that you've never had any serious mental health problems.
    So basically, you think that having a normal life and coming down with a sudden terminal illness is worse than having all aspects of your life tainted by emotional trauma, to the extent that you eventually take your own life.
  19. <3

    Heartfelt kudos to all who have tried to actually 'reach' the newbie OP - most especially John A Dreams and also Palmtrees - your profound insights, empathy, and compassion - as well as the ways you express yourselves are truly something precious and wonderful. I marvel at your posts.

    But sadly, you have also proven quite effectively - beyond a shadow of a doubt - that the OP does not in fact READ as they claimed in their first post.

    One can only hope that they themselves "get it over with" and leave... :dry:
  20. unbearable

    unbearable Well-Known Member

    yeah, thanks for the tip.

    Who made you judge and jury exactly anyway?

    ummm.....clue for you, this is a suicide forum, thats gonna happen, why troll these boards when you clearly havent been in the shoes of someone so desperate and in so much pain that you obviously cant understand people do what they need to do, if that means calling out for someone to just hear them when the are on the edge then so be it.
    Whats your problem?!
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