Why don't you believe?

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  1. passwordless

    passwordless Guest

    If you don't believe in God or some higher power, why not...don't mean that like it sounds, but what makes you not believe, what reasoning?

    Not looking for an argument, just answers, please.

    Thank you.
     
  2. anonymous51

    anonymous51 Staff Alumni

    Well im not entirely sure if there is a god or there isnt but evidence points more to ther not being one. for one thing all the things that god has supposedly done by his powers have been proven to be a natural occurance, the stories of miracles only seem to happen in the past when there is no proof that it could have or could not have happened why doesnt he show us a miracle now when he used to do it all the time before? my opinion on religion is that its just a big fairy tale for adults aswell as kids. Fairy tales where created to deliver a message to children while their minds where growing (dont go into strangers houses, dont go into the woods on your own etc...) and basically what religion is is a bunch of stories and promises of rewards for being a good moral person so that people would obey the laws and not do bad things, which is a good thing really and i dont have anything against it at all.
     
  3. Vorath

    Vorath Guest

    I don't believe in a god but I do believe in an afterlife....dunno where that puts me. My scientific mind versus my all too human heart I guess.
     
  4. passwordless

    passwordless Guest

    Vorath, that's fine, but why don't you believe in God?

    anonymous, evidence points to there not being one? What do you see around you? How is it all possibnle without God?

    How much more futile must everything be without God. i'd rather go to hell, which i'm sure i will, than there be no God.
     
  5. Esmeralda

    Esmeralda Well-Known Member

  6. passwordless

    passwordless Guest

    Thank you, Peanut. Needed to read that.
     
  7. anonymous51

    anonymous51 Staff Alumni

    wow never knew about those stories. The Incorruptible body one is fascinating im suprised ive not heard of that before. Even so, these things dont neccessarily point to the fact that there is a god.

    And to Vorath like i said im not saying that i do or i dont believe in god, its just that i find scientific proof more believable than some guy using his super powers to make the Earth. Im not very good at having a strong belief in something because my mind contradicts itself and i change the way i think endlessly so i dont really believe in any particular way that the universe was created, its just there.
     
  8. Esmeralda

    Esmeralda Well-Known Member

    You are welcome :hug:

    Anonymous, no, these things don't PROVE there is a God, but I find that if you try to explain those things scientifically, it just ends up sounding like a desperate attempt not to believe...because they really can't be explained. For example, the miracle of the sun at Fatima was FORETOLD by the children. They knew the day and time of the miracle. Even if some scientific phenomenon caused the spinning of the sun, how on Earth would 3 shepherd children be able to predict it? :huh:

    Check this one out too. This was filmed for hours on live Egyptian television and investigated thoroughly to no avail.

    http://members.chello.nl/~l.de.bondt/ZeitoenEng.htm
     
  9. I don't believe in the supernatural so that eliminates me as a supporter of this
    incident that you have described. My status as an atheist disqualifies me, so to speak ( well Duh ! )

    Be that as it may, I consider my following observation to be a rational extension of your position. This admittedly miraculous event is presented to the forum as ( I assume ? ) significantly compelling evidence to be accepted as fact. To not accept as being true or to try explain it in terms of nature is characterized as a "desperate attempt to not believe".

    Okay peanut for the sake of my point I will accept your position as true.

    My question is this:

    Why do other Christian theists refuse to believe in this miraculous event ? As believers in God they completely accept the parting of the Red Sea, the turning of Lot's wife into a pillar of salt...even the ressurrection of their crucified Messiah.

    These are all miraculous events and are accepted by the majority of the Bible-believing community as being unquestionably valid and real. They are receptive and open to the concept of God's miraculous behavior yet many of them will reject your claims concerning the "Miracle of the Sun."

    That seems to me to be a strange paradox to exist among fellow believers.



    Also, I have noticed that other manifestations of God's supernatural abilities only seem to occur within the denominations that already believe in them. Visions of the Virgin Mary are typically only accepted among Catholics, "speaking in tongues" is only experienced among Assemblies of God practitioners, handling of deadly snakes, healing of serious illness, raising of dead, prophecy, the buying of God's favor with "love offerings" all seem to manifest themselves according to a denominations' pre-existing beliefs.

    Peculiar coincidences ? Maybe ......anyway, just a few innocent observations from me, an evil atheist,
    before I'm eventually cast into the burning pits of Hell that I so richly deserve. :surrender

    Peace !
     
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  10. Blackness

    Blackness Guest

    None of us would be here if god existed. I believe more in fate and destiny and good and back luck.
     
  11. ~PinkElephants~

    ~PinkElephants~ Senior member


    For me personally it's not that I don't believe in God or some higher power I just have many doubts. If there was a divine God, why would have the world be suffering and in peril?? I mean we as humans are not what 'god' envisioned if he does exist..alot of humans are hateful and evil people, why would God allow such people to destroy the world like they are?? If this is "gods" so called test to see how his creations react to things we fail miserably and his world as he created it will be destroyed...
     
  12. Darken

    Darken Well-Known Member

    The reasons I don't believe in god is because there is no evidence for any specific god. Faith is an illogical concept imo, it means believing in some thing lacking evidence. Either God wants to abolish evil, and cannot; or he can, but does not want to. If he wants to, but cannot, he is impotent. If he can, but does not want to, he is wicked. If God can abolish evil, and God really wants to do it, why is there evil in the world? — Epicurus, as quoted in 2000 Years of Disbelief
     
  13. Bostonensis

    Bostonensis Guest

    It is not Y? It is XYZ. It is a confinement ,jail without rails to my mind.
     
  14. Esmeralda

    Esmeralda Well-Known Member

    My question is this:

    Why do other Christian theists refuse to believe in this miraculous event ? As believers in God they completely accept the parting of the Red Sea, the turning of Lot's wife into a pillar of salt...even the ressurrection of their crucified Messiah.

    These are all miraculous events and are accepted by the majority of the Bible-believing community as being unquestionably valid and real. They are receptive and open to the concept of God's miraculous behavior yet many of them will reject your claims concerning the "Miracle of the Sun."

    That seems to me to be a strange paradox to exist among fellow believers.



    Also, I have noticed that other manifestations of God's supernatural abilities only seem to occur within the denominations that already believe in them. Visions of the Virgin Mary are typically only accepted among Catholics, "speaking in tongues" is only experienced among Assemblies of God practitioners, handling of deadly snakes, healing of serious illness, raising of dead, prophecy, the buying of God's favor with "love offerings" all seem to manifest themselves according to a denominations' pre-existing beliefs.

    Peculiar coincidences ? Maybe ......anyway, just a few innocent observations from me, an evil atheist,
    before I'm eventually cast into the burning pits of Hell that I so richly deserve. :surrender

    Peace ![/QUOTE]

    Protestants have always hated the Catholic veneration of the Virgin Mary because they think we worship her, so they (like other non-believers) just refuse to believe the miracle of Fatima ever happened because it weakens their position on the holiness of Mary. It's just a denominational thing I guess, which is why the Virgin apparitions are only generally accepted by Catholics. As far as handling snakes goes, well, I think those people just have a pocket full of crazy...didn't Jesus say "Do not put the Lord to the test?" And as far as speaking in tongues goes, "blah blah jiehfak haeiha hereya". Yay I can do it! I'm magic! The Bible makes it pretty clear that "speaking in tongues" means speaking in actual existing but previously unknown foreign languages that the masses can understand so as to spread the gospel, not just babbling away and claiming to have some spiritual gift. I'm not one of those crazy people who sees the Virgin Mary in her cinnamon toast either :huh:

    But let me ask this: How can someone NOT believe in the miracle of Fatima, or at least, be open to the idea that something supernatural took place there? The three shepherd children PREDICTED the event. That's why 100,000 people were standing around on a hillside in Portugal. Many notable skeptics, atheists and even writers for local socialist newspapers sent there to debunk the whole thing witnessed the event, were soaked by the rain and then had their clothes miraculously dry instantly. How did the children know this was going to happen, even IF the causes were purely scientific?
     
  15. Double post due to SF sever being overloaded or whatever. Aaarrrghhh !!! :mad:
     
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  16. As far as snake handling and other seemingly fool-hardy behavior goes, it does actually have its precedent in Jesus' own words:

    "And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them ..." Mark 16:17

    As to the Miracle at Fatima..could Lucifer have been behind it ?

    Lucifer was able to deceive Adam and Eve in the Garden, the two most perfect humans ever created from God's hand. Before their fall from grace, one could assume that both Adam and Eve possessed the qualities of perception ( including their intelligence ) that no human has since enjoyed...but Lucifer was still able to deceive them. ( What a bastard !!! )

    According to Scriptures it appears Lucifer is for a time basically the "Landlord" of the physical Earth, Matthew 4:8

    For whatever reason God has allowed Lucifer to reign over this planet. Presumably that means that Lucifer can employ his vast power in a tangible way in order to deceive our senses or even in altering physical reality itself ( as in his enabling Pharaoh's own sorcerers to duplicate the miracles of Moses and Aaron, or in his vicious attacks upon Job { boils } and his children { killed by a whirlwind } )

    Obviously I don't expect you to throw up your hands and proclaim " Praise the Lord PDW, I had it all wrong..thanks for setting me straight !!!"

    At most I would only claim to be discussing religious theories with you, sort of like discussing possible endings to an X File episode . :blink:

    Shalom !!!
     
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  17. Esmeralda

    Esmeralda Well-Known Member

    I DO remember reading the snake and poison thing in the Bible...I guess I just never took it to mean that anyone should INTENTIONALLY put themselves in harm's way, but that God grants extra protection should harm befall them. Even Jesus refused to throw himself off of a cliff when tempted by the devil to do so.

    And sure, I suppose Lucifer COULD be behind it all. I'm not sure to what end though. Unless the Protestants are right and veneration of Mary is completely evil or something, but I don't believe that is true obviously.

    And yes, I think it is quite interesting that God gave Satan the Earth as his dominion for a time, although it is my interpretation that after the Death and resurrection of Christ Satan was bound and thrown into the Pit (the Bible says 1000 years, but who knows what that really amounts to) (Revelation 20), only to be unleashed onto the Earth again before the Second Coming. Although BEFORE the death of Christ (as you noted in reference to Job) Satan was free to come and go between Earth and Heaven in order to "accuse" mankind (hence, the name Satan, or "adversary", "accuser"). I'm not sure whether or not we are supposed to be living in a time when Satan has been released from the Pit or not...Revelation is kind of a clusterf*ck. Maybe they had some magic mushrooms on Patmos? I'm going to Hell, aren't I? :eek:hmy:
     
  18. Vorath

    Vorath Guest

    I can't say why I feel the way I feel. It's just.....ummm....a feeling. Guess I'm just happy to accept that things exist.....doesn't need to be a reason why.

    And when I say happy.....I mean ****** off.
     
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  19. Isa

    Isa Well-Known Member

    Why do you not believe.

    Why do you believe.


    Equal questions. An odd thing to wonder about.
     
  20. passwordless

    passwordless Guest

    "An odd thing to wonder about."

    i don't think so.
     
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