Discussion in 'Suicidal Thoughts and Feelings' started by mrclean4456, Feb 28, 2008.
...I hope and believe that He is merciful to those of us with chronic mental disease...
This topic has been discussed often around here. Search around. There are active threads on this in the soap box subforum.
Also, here are the musings of David Hume, the famous English philosopher. He covers this particular issue in depth:
Imo if God's anything like what he's supposed to be, he'll forgive. Isn't that what Christianity is all about?
If you're planning on needing to be forgiven for something you haven't done yet, how can you be sorry for it?
just read the Hume aticle...and Googled him...says he was an athiest...hmmm
I've heard that if you ask God for forgiveness and are truly sorry you'll get it. I'm not sure how you'll do that from the grave or if he has an ask in advance policy but maybe you'll catch him in a good mood.
Well Jesus commited suicide,waiting in gethsemane knowing that he would be arrested and crucified, is no different than standing on a railway line and waiting for the train.
If it was good enough for the son of god, why should i ask for forgiveness.
Why arn't we asking, should we forgive god, for all the pain and suffering that mankind has endured throughout time.
I have lived a long and miserable life, i don't blame god for it, but i won't apologies for my actions, unless he wants to take some responsibility.
He can't play the good shephard and sit idly by why people suffer, and then be surprise when we choose to leave this life.
If god is all knowning then he knows that i am a good person, who made poor choices, and has tried soo hard to cope, but just can't.
Yes He knows but thats just it He wants you to stop trying yourself and let him help you?
I know this al might seem far fetched and a strange concept. I do apologise if I have offended you in anyway i do understand the darkness that surrounds you. I to have been fighting for my life and once or twice i nearly did sucseed but when you have nothing left and you find hope you share it because a stranger you might be but your life lost is a sadness to all.
No disrespect, but I find it strange you ask the original question, then negate the thoughtful answer that was given... Yes - check out Soap Box - and this thread may well eventually end up there too.
And your 'concept' isn't far-fetched - but rather, your own - Not everyone believes what you particularly do - in fact 2/3 of the world (nor are they "damned" for it)
Fierce Goodbye: Living in the Shadow of Suicide, by G. Lloyd Carr & Gwendolyn C. Carr.
the above book (and there is also a DVD) talks a lot about this issue/question.
The question is, will the mods forgive suicide.
People, this has become a commercial venture. It' no longer in you best interest.
Whooops. This will be deleted too.
Here's what the catechism of the Catholic church has to say on suicide. It can be taken as the official line, as far as Catholics are concerned. Protestants disagree with Catholics on many topics, but generally not on this one, as far as I know.
I think paragraph 2283 is the most interesting. It acknowledges the unique circumstance of suicide--that by the time you need to ask forgiveness for committing suicide, it's too late. Given the limitations of logic, but the Church's certainty in God's mercy, the Church trusts in that mercy, but kind of throws up its hands on the details.
So, mrclean, I think that your formulation--hope in God's mercy--is about right.