Will God forgive suicide??
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This topic has been discussed often around here. Search around. There are active threads on this in the soap box subforum.
Also, here are the musings of David Hume, the famous English philosopher. He covers this particular issue in depth:
http://www.csulb.edu/~jvancamp/452_r5.html
Imo if God's anything like what he's supposed to be, he'll forgive. Isn't that what Christianity is all about?
Also, here are the musings of David Hume, the famous English philosopher. He covers this particular issue in depth:
http://www.csulb.edu/~jvancamp/452_r5.html
Imo if God's anything like what he's supposed to be, he'll forgive. Isn't that what Christianity is all about?
Well Jesus commited suicide,waiting in gethsemane knowing that he would be arrested and crucified, is no different than standing on a railway line and waiting for the train.
If it was good enough for the son of god, why should i ask for forgiveness.
Why arn't we asking, should we forgive god, for all the pain and suffering that mankind has endured throughout time.
I have lived a long and miserable life, i don't blame god for it, but i won't apologies for my actions, unless he wants to take some responsibility.
He can't play the good shephard and sit idly by why people suffer, and then be surprise when we choose to leave this life.
If god is all knowning then he knows that i am a good person, who made poor choices, and has tried soo hard to cope, but just can't.
If it was good enough for the son of god, why should i ask for forgiveness.
Why arn't we asking, should we forgive god, for all the pain and suffering that mankind has endured throughout time.
I have lived a long and miserable life, i don't blame god for it, but i won't apologies for my actions, unless he wants to take some responsibility.
He can't play the good shephard and sit idly by why people suffer, and then be surprise when we choose to leave this life.
If god is all knowning then he knows that i am a good person, who made poor choices, and has tried soo hard to cope, but just can't.
Well Jesus commited suicide,waiting in gethsemane knowing that he would be arrested and crucified, is no different than standing on a railway line and waiting for the train?????????Jesus had a purpose he did not commit suiced he gave his life so we may be saved. What would your purpose be to end your life to relieve your own pain ?so no it would not be the same His was an unshelfish act of love If it was good enough for the son of god, why should i ask for forgiveness.
Why arn't we asking, should we forgive god, for all the pain and suffering that mankind has endured throughout time.This is a deception that has been created that God is responsable for all the suffering He is not. It is the devil who causes bad things and suffering to happen and yes God allowes them so we can forget about the unimportant things in life and start searching for the important things, Him. if everything is going good why should we be searching for something better.Once we have found Him he continious to allow suffering as it forms our caracter and refines us it gives us wisdom understanding and compasion so we may help others .
I have lived a long and miserable life, i don't blame god for it, but i won't apologies for my actions, unless he wants to take some responsibility.
He can't play the good shephard and sit idly by why people suffer, and then be surprise when we choose to leave this life.God is not just sitting by idly He sees the suffering and he feels the pain and that emptiness that search for meaning inside you is him promting you to find him.Remeber He is a God of love He gave us free will He will never force treaten or trick you to come to him you need to take the first step toward Him and you will be amazed at how much he can help
If god is all knowning then he knows that i am a good person, who made poor choices, and has tried soo hard to cope, but just can't.
Why arn't we asking, should we forgive god, for all the pain and suffering that mankind has endured throughout time.This is a deception that has been created that God is responsable for all the suffering He is not. It is the devil who causes bad things and suffering to happen and yes God allowes them so we can forget about the unimportant things in life and start searching for the important things, Him. if everything is going good why should we be searching for something better.Once we have found Him he continious to allow suffering as it forms our caracter and refines us it gives us wisdom understanding and compasion so we may help others .
I have lived a long and miserable life, i don't blame god for it, but i won't apologies for my actions, unless he wants to take some responsibility.
He can't play the good shephard and sit idly by why people suffer, and then be surprise when we choose to leave this life.God is not just sitting by idly He sees the suffering and he feels the pain and that emptiness that search for meaning inside you is him promting you to find him.Remeber He is a God of love He gave us free will He will never force treaten or trick you to come to him you need to take the first step toward Him and you will be amazed at how much he can help
If god is all knowning then he knows that i am a good person, who made poor choices, and has tried soo hard to cope, but just can't.
I know this al might seem far fetched and a strange concept. I do apologise if I have offended you in anyway i do understand the darkness that surrounds you. I to have been fighting for my life and once or twice i nearly did sucseed but when you have nothing left and you find hope you share it because a stranger you might be but your life lost is a sadness to all.
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Yes He knows but thats just it He wants you to stop trying yourself and let him help you?
I know this al might seem far fetched and a strange concept. I do apologise if I have offended you in anyway i do understand the darkness that surrounds you. I to have been fighting for my life and once or twice i nearly did sucseed but when you have nothing left and you find hope you share it because a stranger you might be but your life lost is a sadness to all.
I know this al might seem far fetched and a strange concept. I do apologise if I have offended you in anyway i do understand the darkness that surrounds you. I to have been fighting for my life and once or twice i nearly did sucseed but when you have nothing left and you find hope you share it because a stranger you might be but your life lost is a sadness to all.
And your 'concept' isn't far-fetched - but rather, your own - Not everyone believes what you particularly do - in fact 2/3 of the world (nor are they "damned" for it)
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...I hope and believe that He is merciful to those of us with chronic mental disease...
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2280 Everyone is responsible for his life before God who has given it to him. It is God who remains the sovereign Master of life. We are obliged to accept life gratefully and preserve it for his honor and the salvation of our souls. We are stewards, not owners, of the life God has entrusted to us. It is not ours to dispose of.
2281 Suicide contradicts the natural inclination of the human being to preserve and perpetuate his life. It is gravely contrary to the just love of self. It likewise offends love of neighbor because it unjustly breaks the ties of solidarity with family, nation, and other human societies to which we continue to have obligations. Suicide is contrary to love for the living God.
2282 If suicide is committed with the intention of setting an example, especially to the young, it also takes on the gravity of scandal. Voluntary co-operation in suicide is contrary to the moral law.
Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide.
2283 We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. The Church prays for persons who have taken their own lives.
2281 Suicide contradicts the natural inclination of the human being to preserve and perpetuate his life. It is gravely contrary to the just love of self. It likewise offends love of neighbor because it unjustly breaks the ties of solidarity with family, nation, and other human societies to which we continue to have obligations. Suicide is contrary to love for the living God.
2282 If suicide is committed with the intention of setting an example, especially to the young, it also takes on the gravity of scandal. Voluntary co-operation in suicide is contrary to the moral law.
Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide.
2283 We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. The Church prays for persons who have taken their own lives.
I think paragraph 2283 is the most interesting. It acknowledges the unique circumstance of suicide--that by the time you need to ask forgiveness for committing suicide, it's too late. Given the limitations of logic, but the Church's certainty in God's mercy, the Church trusts in that mercy, but kind of throws up its hands on the details.
So, mrclean, I think that your formulation--hope in God's mercy--is about right.
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