words of Jesus to the depressed, worried and dissapointed

[sudut]

I stand between the years. The light of My presence is flung across the year to come- the radience of the Sun of Righteousness. Backward, over the past year, is My shadow thrown, hiding trouble and sorrow and dissapointment.

Dwell not on the past - only on the present. Only use the past as the trees use My sunlight to absorb it, to make from it in after days the warming fire-rays. so store only the blessings from Me, the Light of the world. Encourage yourselves by the thought of these.

Bury every fear of the future, of poverty for those dear to you, of suffering, of loss. Burry all thought of undkindness and bitterness, all your dislikes, your resentments, your sense of failure, your dissapointment in others and in yourselves, your gloom, your despondency, and let us leave them all buried, and go forward to a new and risen life.

Remember that you must not see as the world sees, I hold the year in my Hands - in trust for you. But i shall guide you one day at a time.

Leave the rest with Me. You must not anticipate the gift by fears or thoughts of the days ahead. And for each day, i shall supply the widsom and the strength. 4:33!

 

[Entoloma43]

Here are some other words of Jesus:

And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life. (Matthew 19:29)

 

[FoundAndLost1]

Hey, and let's not forget:

Matthew 10:34

"I did not come to bring peace, but a sword"

and...

Matthew 10:21

"And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death"

 

[Bigman2232]

Matt 12:44pm

"Stop preaching and actually do something useful"

 

[RCC]

Matthew 10:21

"And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death"

Yea, he was prophesizing the persecution of his followers. What's your point?

 

[FoundAndLost1]

The point is (incase it escaped you) that some folks tend to "cherry-pick" when they feel they must insist, self-righteously, on making THEIR point the correct one...whether a just as valid "contradiction" exists, or not (and the Bible is, not to be punny, full of it)

 

[RCC]

The point is (incase it escaped you) that some folks tend to "cherry-pick" when they feel they must insist, self-righteously, on making THEIR point the correct one...

Yes. And some people read the Bible in context.

whether a just as valid "contradiction" exists, or not (and the Bible is, not to be punny, full of it)

Matthew, for example, was translated three times. There is bound to be apparent contradictions.
And --haha-- I'm sure you read the Bible.:tongue:

 

[FoundAndLost1]

Yes. And some people read the Bible in context.


Matthew, for example, was translated three times. There is bound to be apparent contradictions.
And --haha-- I'm sure you read the Bible.:tongue:

Why d'ja stick your tongue out at me? I have read it a few times.

As for those who actually do read it in context (which sounds so, well, "sensible"), I dare say they're rather few and far between (not to mention that ALL translations aside, as well as accounts being left out - such as the Apocryphal accounts - and completely leaving out that it was written solely by men - for the majority of the time, the language in which it was presented was not available to laypersons - to read in context or not!)

One wonders (well, I do) why there are an estimated 58,000 denominations within Christianity - if they were all reading it "in context"...hmmm

Seems to me that "cherry-picking" goes on and on...

 

[Testify]

Why not read a physics textbook? I find it ultimately more fulfilling than councilling/therapy, whatever.
And, unlike religion, physics actually works.
As in, it's been proven.
You don't have to beleive in vector calculus for your face to smash into the ice on a cold day.
=)

 

[RCC]

- such as the Apocryphal accounts -

The esoteric writtings are not considered "inspired" by Christians for many reasons. One being that the were so easily identifiable with Christianity's second era in Greece, where Matthew, Luke, Mark and John are identifibale with Christianity's first era in Israel.

and completely leaving out that it was written solely by men -

Christians believe that it was written by men and inspired by God.

for the majority of the time, the language in which it was presented was not available to laypersons - to read in context or not!)

There are thousands of early manuscripts in the Greek, a few in Aramaic and more then enough in Hebrew -- Shem Tov's Matthew Hebrew for example -- There are scores and scores of great linguists in our universities that have no problem translating the text to English.

One wonders (well, I do) why there are an estimated 58,000 denominations within Christianity - if they were all reading it "in context"...hmmm

I'm no Christian. But my theory is that this faith isn't meant to be an institution as much as it's meant to be a fellowship.

Seems to me that "cherry-picking" goes on and on...

Yes, there is. But you're guilty of that too.

 

[Dave_N]

Bury every fear of the future, of poverty for those dear to you, of suffering, of loss. Burry all thought of undkindness and bitterness, all your dislikes, your resentments, your sense of failure, your dissapointment in others and in yourselves, your gloom, your despondency, and let us leave them all buried, and go forward to a new and risen life.

Wise words indeed. :smile:

 

[FoundAndLost1]

The esoteric writtings are not considered "inspired" by Christians for many reasons. One being that the were so easily identifiable with Christianity's second era in Greece, where Matthew, Luke, Mark and John are identifibale with Christianity's first era in Israel.


Christians believe that it was written by men and inspired by God.


There are thousands of early manuscripts in the Greek, a few in Aramaic and more then enough in Hebrew -- Shem Tov's Matthew Hebrew for example -- There are scores and scores of great linguists in our universities that have no problem translating the text to English.


Yes, there is. But you're guilty of that too.

Well, "guilty" (according to you) or not, I'd originally posted in light of there being countless contradictions, yet often people will pick the one which they believe is the quintessential rule-of-law as "determined" by [their chosen] writers of the Bible - to which you replied that this is not the case when read in context.

Given that indeed, interpretation and contextualization (though I dare say, rarely in the past - thought this does perhaps explain the divisions/denominations) has been and remains ongoing - how is the "proper, right" one (as if there were one) ever achieved? Not to mention that what has been included and what has not, has long and widely been determined by undeniable, various "agendas" (perhaps "well-intentioned", yet just as well - not) throughout Christianty's history.

And again, I say, that having left out half the population (namely women) in writing these accounts (which is of course by no means exclusive to Christianity) makes it all rather flawed/skewed (at the very least, and putting it 'kindly') from the get-go...

 

[RCC]

Well, "guilty" (according to you) or not, I'd originally posted in light of there being countless contradictions, yet often people will pick the one which they believe is the quintessential rule-of-law as "determined" by [their chosen] writers of the Bible - to which you replied that this is not the case when read in context.

Yea, absolutely. I believe that if you put the time into -- learn languages, use systematic theology ect. -- the writtings do not contradict each other.

how is the "proper, right" one (as if there were one) ever achieved?

Going back to the roots of the faith wouldn't hurt.

Not to mention that what has been included and what has not, has long and widely been determined by undeniable, various "agendas" (perhaps "well-intentioned", yet just as well - not) throughout Christianty's history.

But there is an original church, an original message and an original intent that Yeshua and his disciples had.

And again, I say, that having left out half the population (namely women) in writing these accounts (which is of course by no means exclusive to Christianity) makes it all rather flawed/skewed (at the very least, and putting it 'kindly') from the get-go...

Well, you're wrong to accuse the bible of being misogynistic. Any historian would tell you that the fact that it was women who apparently were the first people to find out about Jesus' ressurection is a testament to the bible's respect towards women. Many other examples as well.

 

[FoundAndLost1]

Yea, absolutely. I believe that if you put the time into -- learn languages, use systematic theology ect. -- the writtings do not contradict each other.

...Going back to the roots of the faith wouldn't hurt.

Well, who is counting those who actually do such things? It certainly isn't a vast/significant amount of laypersons. Not to mention, even going from church to church - let alone denomination to denomination - what is preached/taught is rather solely up to the priest/minister/whomever leading the congregration. If there are so many denominations, whose interpretation of the "roots" are "correct"? The issues are endless. Not to mention that interpretation (and asking questions) has been and continues to be largely frowned upon (if not called outright heretical, with all it's consequences, past and present) by the the church in general.


But there is an original church, an original message and an original intent that Yeshua and his disciples had.

Well, The Orthodox church(es!) readily suppose they've got the market cornered on that one...and even they have (had) 764 denominations (1995)


Well, you're wrong to accuse the bible of being misogynistic. Any historian would tell you that the fact that it was women who apparently were the first people to find out about Jesus' ressurection is a testament to the bible's respect towards women. Many other examples as well.

I was in fact 'careful' about the word I used...and to call me 'wrong', no matter what word I used, is, respectfully, actually only your opinion. And I dare say that in precious few places let alone on pulpits is it preached "LOOK! It's really actually very relevant that it was women who first found the body!". Sadly, it's all really rather "incidental", and glossed over completely. And once again, if women had no say whatsoever in what was recorded - perpetually and effectively dismissing all accounts, their voices, their personal experiences, their 'visions', their encounters (all in the first-person) their interpretations no matter what they pertain to, how can it possibly, concievably be fundamentally for "the good of all mankind"? To state that they have, for the most parts, in all these aspects, been left out is not a mere opinion, but a fact...And to myself, as well as others, a very relevant one...

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[Testify]

People ignored meeeeee. =(

 

[Entoloma43]

Well, you're wrong to accuse the bible of being misogynistic.

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her. (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife. (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)

When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)

A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

"As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. they are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church." (1 Corinthians 14:33-35)

Genesis 3: "Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you." (verse 16)

 

[Bostonensis]

One wonders (well, I do) why there are an estimated 58,000 denominations within Christianity - if they were all reading it "in context"...hmmm

Bingo.

Fundies are mostly believes that if you don't believed in what they believed you must be a lost soul & it is their duty to bring you to light.

I lost a lot of " friends " when I told them they are all hypocrites; they picked & choose what suited their lifestyles from their bible e.g. premarital sex.

 

[trux]

Why not read a physics textbook? I find it ultimately more fulfilling than councilling/therapy, whatever.
And, unlike religion, physics actually works.
As in, it's been proven.
You don't have to beleive in vector calculus for your face to smash into the ice on a cold day.
=)

Yea physics work, but what's the point :tongue:

 

[Bostonensis]

Leave the rest with Me. You must not anticipate the gift by fears or thoughts of the days ahead. And for each day, i shall supply the widsom and the strength. 4:33!

COLOR="Blue"]I didn't know Mr. jesus is a business owner. Well he needs to know that his products " is not reaching this forum " as apparently lots of people here is desperate to such a demand.[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR]

Is there an adverse effects from wisdom & strength?:wink:

Shit. Did I say too much. Sorry Mr. Jesus