Do you think that there will ever be a good pharmaceutical treatment for suicidal ideation?
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I think there's a big distinction between making your life better and feeling better. I have a mate, hates his job, feels lonely etc. and his medication will make him feel either great or terrible, but when he's feeling better he needs to make his life better (ie. look for another job, start meeting people etc.) but he doesn't. The current medication he's on is great but he says life isn't getting better like he expects that it will bring about promotion or a girlfriend for him.
Also I think it's about how you reflect upon your life, I could say life sucks, but it's better than it has been in the past, and things like that are important and is basically what Lekatt said
Also I think it's about how you reflect upon your life, I could say life sucks, but it's better than it has been in the past, and things like that are important and is basically what Lekatt said
Unfortunately there is such a medication but they tend to only prescribe it when you are terminally ill with a physical rather than mental problem. Opioids took any thoughts of suicide or depression and anxiety away but also very nearly ruined my life. At the same time saved me as it was that or suicide at the time, pretty much. Some kind of hard hitting blissful opioid that didnt have tolerance issues and was safe and legal would appeal to me - but not gonna happen.
On the other hand I think the current pharmaceutical research into 3,4-Methylenedioxymethamphetamine, 5 methoxy n, n dimethyltryptamine and ketamine, along with psilocybin show a lot of promise.
On the other hand I think the current pharmaceutical research into 3,4-Methylenedioxymethamphetamine, 5 methoxy n, n dimethyltryptamine and ketamine, along with psilocybin show a lot of promise.
My early life was pretty bad. I had thoughts that made me seem small and insignificant. I had no confidence and shied away from anything I thought was too difficult for me to learn. I did take vocational printing and got a job doing that.
It took an unusual experience to shake up my life and send me to the books and back to school to learn more about what happened to me. It was the turning point in my life. I now have confidence and feel good about myself and doing things I thought impossible before. I really do enjoy life now.
That experience was a heart attack, not recommending it to anyone. But during the attack I found my self out of my body and near the ceiling. A voice asked me if I wanted to live or to die. I chose life. Then I felt an energy running through me, then back in my body.
I wanted to know what happened to me and I am still learning. It jarred me out of my uncomfort zone and started me down the road to knowledge and recovery.
Those that are unhappy might want to gain knowledge of why and start reading self-help books and learning what can be done about it.
It took an unusual experience to shake up my life and send me to the books and back to school to learn more about what happened to me. It was the turning point in my life. I now have confidence and feel good about myself and doing things I thought impossible before. I really do enjoy life now.
That experience was a heart attack, not recommending it to anyone. But during the attack I found my self out of my body and near the ceiling. A voice asked me if I wanted to live or to die. I chose life. Then I felt an energy running through me, then back in my body.
I wanted to know what happened to me and I am still learning. It jarred me out of my uncomfort zone and started me down the road to knowledge and recovery.
Those that are unhappy might want to gain knowledge of why and start reading self-help books and learning what can be done about it.
I was told that medication would take enough of the edge off my depression so I could think through and process the talk therapy more easily. It took some effort and a few changes over time to find the right med, but it helped.
Is there a medication to prevent suicidal thinking? Will there ever be?
I think straightforward depression is helped by antidepressants, and the real goal is developing coping strategies for the ups and downs in life. Real hardships such as poverty or illness are not fixable by just thinking positively, so that is not what I mean. I mean finding that part of ourselves that allows us to face or accept a difficulty and find concrete ways to improve things. Sometimes for unsolvable things, the improvement comes in accepting that it’s not under our own control. After accepting that, we might be able to shift our focus to the things that are under our control or that make us feel okay. For me, anxiety and depression are often connected to the idea that “OMG, I can’t deal with ____________.” When I accept that I can’t change it, I can let go of stewing about it and focus my thoughts and efforts on something more productive. Also, the skills to deal with people who challenge our boundaries and who play mind games are important to overcoming the thought patterns that depression seems to love.
Will there ever be a medication to stop suicidal thinking? I don’t know. When we know more about the brain and how thoughts and feelings are formed in the brain, then maybe.
Just for the record, opioids don’t stop suicidal thinking. They can temporarily relieve physical pain with the side effects of making a person feel buzzy and not care about other things so much; want more of the medication (addictive); are hard on the respiratory system; some cause hallucinations and nasty dreams and behaviour; some are very dangerous in any quantity. Opioids are often abused because they are so frequently prescribed for pain and a patient can build a tolerance for them quickly. That makes them addictive, and a person can end up needing more and more of the substance for the same “better feeling” but doesn’t realize the danger that can put them in. The literature from the medical community says opioids should be prescribed by a doctor and used sparingly for physical pain not emotional pain.
Is there a medication to prevent suicidal thinking? Will there ever be?
I think straightforward depression is helped by antidepressants, and the real goal is developing coping strategies for the ups and downs in life. Real hardships such as poverty or illness are not fixable by just thinking positively, so that is not what I mean. I mean finding that part of ourselves that allows us to face or accept a difficulty and find concrete ways to improve things. Sometimes for unsolvable things, the improvement comes in accepting that it’s not under our own control. After accepting that, we might be able to shift our focus to the things that are under our control or that make us feel okay. For me, anxiety and depression are often connected to the idea that “OMG, I can’t deal with ____________.” When I accept that I can’t change it, I can let go of stewing about it and focus my thoughts and efforts on something more productive. Also, the skills to deal with people who challenge our boundaries and who play mind games are important to overcoming the thought patterns that depression seems to love.
Will there ever be a medication to stop suicidal thinking? I don’t know. When we know more about the brain and how thoughts and feelings are formed in the brain, then maybe.
Just for the record, opioids don’t stop suicidal thinking. They can temporarily relieve physical pain with the side effects of making a person feel buzzy and not care about other things so much; want more of the medication (addictive); are hard on the respiratory system; some cause hallucinations and nasty dreams and behaviour; some are very dangerous in any quantity. Opioids are often abused because they are so frequently prescribed for pain and a patient can build a tolerance for them quickly. That makes them addictive, and a person can end up needing more and more of the substance for the same “better feeling” but doesn’t realize the danger that can put them in. The literature from the medical community says opioids should be prescribed by a doctor and used sparingly for physical pain not emotional pain.
I heard depression is helped by anti depressants but it didn't help me I couldn't feel a thing and it was the worst thing ever because I felt nothing and so I had wine but you are not supposed to drink on them but I thought they just say that in case but they were right I was sick every ten minutes and thought this is it
I am on so many medications and I just feel numb and miserable and dysfunctional. I don’t remember what it was like to be off medications but I know I actually felt emotions. It sucks living every day like this. I have two young kids who need me and i do the bare minimal for them and it kills me but I don’t know how to be functional
I was prescribed ketamine for treatment resistant depression after failing on Lithium which was pretty much the only thing left to try in the standard toolkit. It took away my suicidal ideation but didn’t improve my mood much.
It’s like it just surgically removed my suicidal thoughts without any changes in my mood. It also doesn’t last and since I have moved I have found a new provider, but the practice doesn’t prescribe ketamine at this time. So now I’m off it and my self preservation instinct is gone again.
It’s like it just surgically removed my suicidal thoughts without any changes in my mood. It also doesn’t last and since I have moved I have found a new provider, but the practice doesn’t prescribe ketamine at this time. So now I’m off it and my self preservation instinct is gone again.
I’m sorry you are going through this. I’m diagnosed with the same and have tried tons of different meds. Starting to think they are all bullshit along with my diagnosis. If you don’t mind me asking what do you mean your self preservation instinct is gone? I’m asking because I think that’s the same with me. Like do you mean you have no desire to take care of yourself and no desire to live life
