A story for atheist

[muslim]

''What comes to you of Good is from God, but what comes to you of evil, [O man],is fromyourself.[As result of your mistakes or sins].(Qur'an 4:79)''

A man went to a barbershop to have his hair cut and his
A man went to a barbershop to have his hair cut and his beard trimmed.

As the barber began to work, they began to have a good conversation.

They talked about so many things and various subjects.

When they eventually touched on the subject of God, the barber said:

"I don't believe that God exists."

"Why do you say that?" asked the customer. "Well, you just have to go out in the street to realize that God doesn't exist.

Tell me, if God exists, would there be so many sick people?

Would there be abandoned children?

If God existed, there would be neither suffering nor pain.

I can't imagine a loving God who would allow all of these things."

The customer thought for a moment, but didn't respond because he didn't want to start an argument.

The barber finished his job and the customer left the shop.

Just after he left the barbershop, he saw a man in the
street with long, stringy, dirty hair and an untrimmed beard. He looked dirty and unkempt.

The customer turned back and entered the barber shop again and he said to the barber: "You know what? Barbers do not exist."

"How can you say that?" asked the surprised barber.

"I am here, and I am a barber. And I just worked on you!"

"No!" the customer exclaimed. "Barbers don't exist because if they did, there would be no people with dirty long hair and untrimmed beards, like that man outside."

"Ah, but barbers DO exist! That's what happens when people do not come to me."

"Exactly!" affirmed the customer. "That's the point! God, too, DOES exist! That's what happens when people do not go to Him and don't look to Him for help. That's why there's so much pain and suffering in the world.

 

[worlds edge]

"Exactly!" affirmed the customer. "That's the point! God, too, DOES exist! That's what happens when people do not go to Him and don't look to Him for help. That's why there's so much pain and suffering in the world.

So a baby born with spina bifida is that way because she didn't look for god? (Presumably in uetero? :rolleyes: )

"No!" the customer exclaimed. "Barbers don't exist because if they did, there would be no people with dirty long hair and untrimmed beards, like that man outside."

Yes, especially since every barber I've ever known has claimed to be omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent. :rolleyes:

The alternative, of course, is that you're saying your deity is no more omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent than the average barber. Which would be an interesting take on things. Might even explain a whole lot. :smile:

 

[~Nobody~]

^^^ :clap: Gmork :wink:

 

[hammockmonkey]

So a baby born with spina bifida is that way because she didn't look for god? (Presumably in uetero? :rolleyes: )

Or, their parents didn't look to God and are being punished . . . . Or maybe God is an asshole.

Yes, especially since every barber I've ever known has claimed to be omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent. :rolleyes:

The alternative, of course, is that you're saying your deity is no more omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent than the average barber. Which would be an interesting take on things. Might even explain a whole lot. :smile:

Fantastic.

 

[muslim]

So a baby born with spina bifida is that way because she didn't look for god? (Presumably in uetero? :rolleyes: )

:

my intelligent friend did some one said to u that a baby with spina is a punishment from Allah to his parents or you understand what you want
as you wants

look any hard times you spend it in your life is eraser to your sins
if you are poor
have diseases
have a child blind

that hard times are a gift from Allah to help us in the judgement day after death

secondly if the thread will be in that way

like hearing from some one that God is (ass hole)

and laughing from my posts in unrespectable way

I WANT ALL TO KNOW GOD(ALLAH)
FOR MUSLIMS IS more respectable than any other in the universe

so i ask moderartors to control that forum more than that

i didnt pass over my redlines
and i ask u all for that

if u want to discuss my post dont insult me or my god

 

[suicide_ideation]

i'm neutral

But I think ur wrong Muslim, some can view God as an assh0le, and I don't think that the poster who referred to god as an assh0le, meant the Muslim God, he was talking about God in general, probably the Christian God, I don't think any of us here knows anything about Allah

And there are many reasons why one would view God as an asshole,

all the sufferings in the world is not the fault of god, cuz he does not exist, but indeed the fault of man and civilization

I don't know anything about Islam, but I sometimes view the Christian God as both stupid and evil, even if I don't think he exists

 

[suicide_ideation]

Muslim u may be strict in ur country and kill all the christians around

but this isn't Iran

I don't think everyone should be forced to get absorbed by the delusion that religion is

Let people be critics and skeptics

If we were in ur country saying any of this, would u torture us to death?

WHY CAN'T YOU BE OPEN TO THE IDEA THAT THERE MIGHT NOT BE A GOD

I WAS VERY RELIGIOUS ONCE, AND TODAY I'M NOT, BUT JUST AS HAPPY

for some life without religion might seem scary and pointless, but it isn't for me, it's a mystery to me, if religion is false, uve wasted ur life believing in a lie

 

[muslim]

i'm neutral

But I think ur wrong Muslim, some can view God as an assh0le, and I don't think that the poster who referred to god as an assh0le, meant the Muslim God, he was talking about God in general, probably the Christian God, I don't think any of us here knows anything about Allah

And there are many reasons why one would view God as an asshole,

all the sufferings in the world is not the fault of god, cuz he does not exist, but indeed the fault of man and civilization

I don't know anything about Islam, but I sometimes view the Christian God as both stupid and evil, even if I don't think he exists

ok may be i am wrong

but i have my execuse i be very jealous when anyone talks about my god
in unrespectable way

but i thinck there are some members here attacks you in unrespectable way
for any word you say

 

[suicide_ideation]

I agree, people should respect you, and adjust themselves not to offend you,

to you islam is the most important thing, and people shouldn't provoke you

I remember those Muhammad cartoons, that was bad

 

[worlds edge]

my intelligent friend did some one said to u that a baby with spina is a punishment from Allah to his parents or you understand what you want
as you wants

To quote your own words back at you:

"Exactly!" affirmed the customer. "That's the point! God, too, DOES exist! That's what happens when people do not go to Him and don't look to Him for help. That's why there's so much pain and suffering in the world.

I will submit that you said it. Or please show how the infant mentioned above "d[id] not go to Him and d[id]n't look to Him for help."

that hard times are a gift from Allah to help us in the judgement day after death

Yes, yes. I've heard this line of baloney before. Believe it if you wish, but it is far from persuasive from where I'm sitting.

like hearing from some one that God is (ass hole)

and laughing from my posts in unrespectable way

Well, you were the one comparing your God to a barber, not me and not anyone else. Is that "respectful?"

I WANT ALL TO KNOW GOD(ALLAH)
FOR MUSLIMS IS more respectable than any other in the universe

Believe what you wish.

if u want to discuss my post dont insult me or my god

If someone started calling you names, you'd have a point. But no one has. Presumably your deity, if it exists, is big enough to care of itself, isn't it?

 

[muslim]

Muslim u may be strict in ur country and kill all the christians around

but this isn't Iran

I don't think everyone should be forced to get absorbed by the delusion that religion is

Let people be critics and skeptics

If we were in ur country saying any of this, would u torture us to death?

WHY CAN'T YOU BE OPEN TO THE IDEA THAT THERE MIGHT NOT BE A GOD

,

in my country we dont kill christians because they have rights as islam learned us

I WAS VERY RELIGIOUS ONCE, AND TODAY I'M NOT, BUT JUST AS HAPPY

for some life without religion might seem scary and pointless, but it isn't for me, it's a mystery to me, if religion is false, uve wasted ur life,

lets take it from another point

if religion is false so i am proud that it gave me morals if i spent all my life without religion i wouldnt have never get it

and from ur view i have wasted my life

*in the other hand

if religion was true
so i will win my life (but that isnt true because no one won the life no one is completely happy)and lose my after life forever

so i advise you

i swear that i feel that you are very near from the truth in SF

to back again as religious you will not lose

it is a simple equation

but concentrate and i swear you will win

 

[worlds edge]

I agree, people should respect you, and adjust themselves not to offend you,

Respect is a two-way street. I've seen muslim offer very little in the way of respect for views that differ from his or her own. In fact, muslim is here to prosleytize and for no other reason, as best I can tell. (And if he's not, I'll cheerfully apologize for the preceding upon his denial.)

to you islam is the most important thing, and people shouldn't provoke you

It is not "provocation" to point out the errors in another's argument. Particularly here, in the "soap box" section.

 

[suicide_ideation]

I have more morals than the Christians I know

but I agree with u, when a country abandons religion, fifth starts spreading, eg. abortion, porn, prostitution

things that most will defend as totally normal

that infuriates me

but one good thing the secularization of the state did to us, where i currently live, is lessen the strong hold of capitalism

Back to my morals, my god is UNSELFINESs, maybe it's crazy, but that's how my heart is, generous

so i necessarily reject lust, greed, pride, envy, and all those deadly sins

now Christians are the biggest perverts in the world, their priests, their moral leaders rape boys in the hundreds, 50% of christians in the US are greedy capitalists, etc. etc.

I dunno how it is in the Muslim world, but here religious peolpe are fuked up totally

 

[suicide_ideation]

religion gives u morals, a purpose to ur life and an eternal destination

it's a nice deal, but is it fantasy or reality

Not to be mean, I know u mean well Muslim, but for me it is as hard to talk to u as to any christian, it's impossible, u guys are totally absorbed in a delusion, and everything is nice, god is everywhere blablabla, and i can't follow any of that,

the only way for me to get u guys happy is for me to join the delusion and then thank god 200 times a day,

and I also agree with the previous post, about respect being a 2 way street

ur right, and i dont think that anyone provoked muslim, but there are many people who will try to provoke muslims, the nastiness is on both sides

 

[suicide_ideation]

one last thing, about christians being executed

i heard of a muslim who converted to christianity, maybe it was afghanistan

and they sentenced him to death

 

[hammockmonkey]

I'm sorry if I offended you with my post Muslim.

Hey, Christians are not all perverted child rapists, just the Catholics. (Joking.)

 

[suicide_ideation]

please, catholics are the best christians

protestant ministers rape more children then catholic priests

 

[muslim]

I'm sorry if I offended you with my post Muslim.

Hey, Christians are not all perverted child rapists, just the Catholics. (Joking.)

never mind my dear

in the last we are all friends

if there is different in views
but we all here in SF to share our opinions

 

[One who listens..]

In all religions everywhere, there has been somne deviants, and they are the ones that seem to bring attention to the religion, or even cultures. The child molesting priests. The fanatic muslims (Not as common as you would think). Communists (Most were all around normal and good people. Look it up before answering.)

A good analogy would be this. Just because say.... Pick your choice of any American or Canadian that has ever killed a man or women. Should Canadians and Americans be classified as murderers, crazed fanatics and the like?

If one fanatical muslim decides to declare his version of the 'jihad' (Which, by the way, was not originally a holy war, it had a deeper spiritual meaning, which has been butchered by the media.) and suicide bomb a convoy, should all Muslims be declared fanatical terrorists?

(A hint - The answer is no.)

 

[Erebos]

I said it before and I'll say it again. The human mind is a wonderful thing. It creates illusions of loved ones recently passed away to fill the empty void we feel. It creates monsters under our bed that instill very real emotions of fear within us. It creates elaborate visions of an afterlife to console our fear of death. It creates higher gods to give us purpose and guidance.

It doesn't matter if the monster under your bed is real or not. If you truly believe it, then the resulting fear will be very real. It doesn't matter if the illusions of your loved ones are real or not. If you believe it, then the resulting comfort your feel will be very real. It doesn't matter if the afterlife is real or not, but if you believe it, then the resulting ease will be very real. It doesn't matter if the god is actually real or not. If you truly believe, then the resulting purpose and rewards out of life for believing will be real.

Step into the matrix everyone. Here, the line between illusion and reality blurs.