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ADHD checklist

sinking_ship

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#1
I have a lot of problems concentrating, and I've always been a really bad procrastinator. There are quite a few things on the online checklists for ADHD I can check off, though not all of them. My therapist mentioned maybe getting tested, and a previous therapist I tried basically didn't think he could do anything for me because he thought it was undiagnosed ADHD. But, I dunno, I feel like depression/anxiety and general laziness basically explain most of it and adding another diagnosis would just be an excuse. Like, can't most people check off a lot of those 'symptoms'? Are there a lot of people for whom planning and concentrating on a long, involved project would NOT be problematic?
 
#3
Yes, I agree, most people have some symptoms of ADHD as well as anxiety and depression. Everyone loves a label these days! Unless you're thinking medication would make a difference for you, or need to be able to claim it as a disability as far as work is concerned, I think it 's more helpful to figure out your individual learning and coping styles and put in place routines that work for you.
What helped me the most was discovering what I'm passionate about. When I was training or learning about something I really enjoyed, it was easier to find methods that worked for me, plus it made me happy. Also being with others who enjoyed doing the same thing helped. It also helps get me out of bed in the morning!
 

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#5
Im with the above here in that unless you're planning to DO something with a diagnosis then it really makes not much difference, right? Are you going to take meds for it? Need it for disability of some kind? Accommodations? If not then it's just another label to slap on yourself.
 

gypsylee

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#6
Now that just made me laugh. Thanks.
You laughing made me have *actual lulz*. It’s the snowball effect! :D

ADHD is interesting medication-wise because they generally use uppers, which you’d think is a recipe for disaster, but it’s related to the impulse-control part of the brain being underactive. The whole subject is controversial though..
 

sinking_ship

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#7
I love my work, and it would be nice if medication fixed a lot of my problems actually doing it. But that’s probably just wishful thinking, there’s no miracle cure. I do worry that adhd meds would just fuck my anxiety. Though maybe if I were less useless at work that would help my anxiety haha.

I wish I could try on someone else’s brain and know how other people get shit done.
 

sinking_ship

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#9
Perhaps it's the job - when my job is routine, I get bored with it. But when I'm doing something creative that I enjoy, time flies.
Nothing routine about my job. It's quite challenging, which is part of the problem and why I don't know whether it's not something else at play (like def some anxiety and fear of failure) or just laziness. But I can be thinking about the thing I want to do next and be really excited about it, but I open up my computer and my brain just...stops. I dunno, it's hard to explain.
 

LostInDreamland

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#10
Here is a really good video on ADHD that may help you figure it put


The thing to know about ADHD is that it is something you are born with not something you develop and the video I linked will give you a better understanding of how it may have affected you when you were younger to know if you really have it (as much as you can know it without being a medical professional). You are right that anxiety and depression can give you ADHD symptoms but if you have ADHD you it would have been lifelong. The video is the most comprehensive explanation of ADHD I have found and I really recommend it.
 

sinking_ship

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The thing to know about ADHD is that it is something you are born with not something you develop and the video I linked will give you a better understanding of how it may have affected you when you were younger to know if you really have it (as much as you can know it without being a medical professional). You are right that anxiety and depression can give you ADHD symptoms but if you have ADHD you it would have been lifelong. The video is the most comprehensive explanation of ADHD I have found and I really recommend it.
Thanks for sharing, that was interesting. I dunno, every time I try to read about symptoms, I see myself in some of them, some of the time. It's hard to say whether I had the symptoms as a kid or not. Partly bc I don't really remember much, haha. But also because this seems to rear its ugly head most when I have long, hard tasks, and I never had that as a kid. School is easy - small things with soon deadlines.

I asked my therapist to look into getting me testing. If insurance covers it I'll do it, just because I figure if I DO have it it would be good to know. Though a big part of me thinks I don't, and this will just confirm that I'm actually just lazy.
 

crazyk

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#12
It was just suggested to me this week that I have ADD. I’m going to take tests later this week. He thinks it’s why I beat myself up all day everyday for not being able to get anything done. People get frustrated with me all the time because I’m not doing things I’m supposed to be doing. I’m willing to explore new territory with the hope that there’s a med that might help. I don’t have anything to lose. If it doesn’t work I just don’t take it
 

sinking_ship

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It was just suggested to me this week that I have ADD. I’m going to take tests later this week. He thinks it’s why I beat myself up all day everyday for not being able to get anything done. People get frustrated with me all the time because I’m not doing things I’m supposed to be doing. I’m willing to explore new territory with the hope that there’s a med that might help. I don’t have anything to lose. If it doesn’t work I just don’t take it
I'm waiting on insurance to approve testing. I hope you get helpful answers!
 
#14
I was just reading this thread, and thought I'd throw in my two cents.

I've had ADHD all my life. I only found out about it a few months ago at age 49.

I knew I was out of whack, but just put it down to laziness and stupidity (despite a high IQ, and having to work ten times as hard as anybody else just to get out of bed in the morning, let alone to put in a full day's work or study).

Yes, it's true. Everybody shows symptoms of ADHD from time to time. Every time you forget where you put your keys. Or you get distracted by something and have trouble focussing on what you're doing. This makes it a little tough to diagnose.

But people with ADHD have these symptoms 24 hours a day.

The diagnosis for ADHD used to also include "emotional dysregulation". But emotions are not quantifiable, so it was removed from the DSM III (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) definition of ADHD, and still left out in the current DSM IV definition.

So everybody knows about the ADHD lack of focus, distractability etc. But not many people are aware of the emotional dysregulation, which is still a big part of ADHD, even if the text books no longer mention it. It certainly makes my life more difficult than it needs to be.

Basically, a person with ADHD will often stew over things for hours, days, weeks. The wheels are always turning in an ADHD brain. And if an emotional event such as negative criticism, guilt, failure, anger, embarassment or whatever kicks in, it can be difficult to switch those emotions off. The brain will just keep rehashing a conversation, or a thought, working it through. Thinking of what you could have said instead. Or just getting angrier and angrier about the injustice. Or withdrawing into your shell.

A person with ADHD may find it difficult to not overreact emotionally to things that normal people really wouldn't worry too much about.

Another main symptom of ADHD is a reduced working memory. It's like the rest of the world having 16gb of RAM when you only have 4gb. So if you are given a complex set of instructions to follow, an ADHD person will typically get a few steps into it, but forget what the other steps were. Because of the reduced working memory.

Add to that the fact that an ADHD brain picks up everything, and has problems filtering stimuli. For example, you notice a blue car driving past. That replays in your brain, reducing the amount of available working memory. Then a fly buzzes around your head, and that ends up in your working memory, displacing something else. Then a conversation from yesterday starts playing in your head.... By now you're lucky to have been able to remember up to step 3 of whatever you have to do for work, and you've no room left for the other 98 steps. So you ask the boss what comes next. The boss rolls their eyes (again) and says "I just told you what to do! You never listen... Nobody else has problems with this, you must be thick or lazy". And you find yourself getting all the dumb jobs.

As for diagnosis and meds... My own feeling is that if I was diagnosed earlier, I might have had a chance. I can't see any down side in knowing more about yourself. On the other hand, I can see a down side to other people knowing more about you.

In my own short experience of being on the meds, I found they improved certain aspects of my life. I found I could focus better, and even get up in the morning and feel actually awake. The stimulant meds work differently on ADHD people than they do on normal people. I actually pop half a tab of dexamphetamine if I'm having trouble getting to sleep because the wheels keep turning and I have thoughts floating around that I can't stop. The dexy slows the wheels, and allows me to get to sleep.

What killed me at that job wasn't the meds, it was my crew's knowledge that I had ADHD. This gave them a label for me, and it provided a focal point for any and all criticism, real or unjustified.

I'm still not 100% sold on the meds, they are certainly not a magic bullet. I still need to fine tune a few things, and maybe try a different medication to see if it works better. And a common saying is that "pills don't teach skills". I need to try some therapy or counselling (but can't afford them just now until I find work, and then I won't have time). Cognitive behavioural therapy seems to get good results. I need to learn some social skills, and other skills.

Another aspect of ADHD is that it rarely works alone. It seems to attract other mental illnesses. Commonly depression or anxiety. But also autism, bipolar, pretty much anything else.

But it's not all bad either. Motivation is a real problem for ADHD. If you are unmotivated, but forced to do something you are not enthusiastic about, you will have to work really, really hard just to get started. In fact, if somebody with ADHD tries to work harder to do something that they aren't motivated to do, the brain will actually start reducing the chemical (serotonin? Can't remember) which normally motivates you. So the harder you work, the less your brain rewards you, so the harder you have to work. Like trying to focus on your homework when your friends are outside your window having fun. It's harder to focus, and to push yourself to complete the work.

But I said it wasn't all bad. If an ADHD person IS motivated... Then the hyperfocus kicks in.

If I'm fired up, I can go for days without food or sleep, while I plug away at what I'm doing, with 10000% concentration. I can outperform anyone by a large margin. When I'm motivated and given free reign.

Also, ADHD people tend to think outside of the box. Sometimes, I can't even see the box. So ADHD people tend to be able to find creative solutions to problems, and research has suggested that a team with at least one ADHD person in it will tend to significantly outperform a team without one.

There are certain jobs that suit people with ADHD. The creative arts can be good. It has been said that ADHD is almost like a pre-requisite to be an entrepreneur. Sir Richard Branson has ADHD for example. Running a business doing something you enjoy takes care of the motivation, and also the dealing with the frustrations of working with a boss and co-workers.

People with ADHD thrive on challenges. Doing the same thing all day every day with no variation is a recipe for disaster. Pet projects are perfect. If an ADHD person is given their own problem to solve, they will solve it when they are allowed to do it themselves. Once they take ownership of a project that motivates them, it's a done deal.

We also thrive on crises. Every little thing in life is a crisis, so we are used to working effectively when it's all going to hell. We've been doing it all our lives. When others are panicking, an ADHD person will often enjoy the challenge and will get more fired up.
 

Aurelia

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#16
I was just reading this thread, and thought I'd throw in my two cents.

I've had ADHD all my life. I only found out about it a few months ago at age 49.

I knew I was out of whack, but just put it down to laziness and stupidity (despite a high IQ, and having to work ten times as hard as anybody else just to get out of bed in the morning, let alone to put in a full day's work or study).

Yes, it's true. Everybody shows symptoms of ADHD from time to time. Every time you forget where you put your keys. Or you get distracted by something and have trouble focussing on what you're doing. This makes it a little tough to diagnose.

But people with ADHD have these symptoms 24 hours a day.

The diagnosis for ADHD used to also include "emotional dysregulation". But emotions are not quantifiable, so it was removed from the DSM III (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) definition of ADHD, and still left out in the current DSM IV definition.

So everybody knows about the ADHD lack of focus, distractability etc. But not many people are aware of the emotional dysregulation, which is still a big part of ADHD, even if the text books no longer mention it. It certainly makes my life more difficult than it needs to be.

Basically, a person with ADHD will often stew over things for hours, days, weeks. The wheels are always turning in an ADHD brain. And if an emotional event such as negative criticism, guilt, failure, anger, embarassment or whatever kicks in, it can be difficult to switch those emotions off. The brain will just keep rehashing a conversation, or a thought, working it through. Thinking of what you could have said instead. Or just getting angrier and angrier about the injustice. Or withdrawing into your shell.

A person with ADHD may find it difficult to not overreact emotionally to things that normal people really wouldn't worry too much about.

Another main symptom of ADHD is a reduced working memory. It's like the rest of the world having 16gb of RAM when you only have 4gb. So if you are given a complex set of instructions to follow, an ADHD person will typically get a few steps into it, but forget what the other steps were. Because of the reduced working memory.

Add to that the fact that an ADHD brain picks up everything, and has problems filtering stimuli. For example, you notice a blue car driving past. That replays in your brain, reducing the amount of available working memory. Then a fly buzzes around your head, and that ends up in your working memory, displacing something else. Then a conversation from yesterday starts playing in your head.... By now you're lucky to have been able to remember up to step 3 of whatever you have to do for work, and you've no room left for the other 98 steps. So you ask the boss what comes next. The boss rolls their eyes (again) and says "I just told you what to do! You never listen... Nobody else has problems with this, you must be thick or lazy". And you find yourself getting all the dumb jobs.

As for diagnosis and meds... My own feeling is that if I was diagnosed earlier, I might have had a chance. I can't see any down side in knowing more about yourself. On the other hand, I can see a down side to other people knowing more about you.

In my own short experience of being on the meds, I found they improved certain aspects of my life. I found I could focus better, and even get up in the morning and feel actually awake. The stimulant meds work differently on ADHD people than they do on normal people. I actually pop half a tab of dexamphetamine if I'm having trouble getting to sleep because the wheels keep turning and I have thoughts floating around that I can't stop. The dexy slows the wheels, and allows me to get to sleep.

What killed me at that job wasn't the meds, it was my crew's knowledge that I had ADHD. This gave them a label for me, and it provided a focal point for any and all criticism, real or unjustified.

I'm still not 100% sold on the meds, they are certainly not a magic bullet. I still need to fine tune a few things, and maybe try a different medication to see if it works better. And a common saying is that "pills don't teach skills". I need to try some therapy or counselling (but can't afford them just now until I find work, and then I won't have time). Cognitive behavioural therapy seems to get good results. I need to learn some social skills, and other skills.

Another aspect of ADHD is that it rarely works alone. It seems to attract other mental illnesses. Commonly depression or anxiety. But also autism, bipolar, pretty much anything else.

But it's not all bad either. Motivation is a real problem for ADHD. If you are unmotivated, but forced to do something you are not enthusiastic about, you will have to work really, really hard just to get started. In fact, if somebody with ADHD tries to work harder to do something that they aren't motivated to do, the brain will actually start reducing the chemical (serotonin? Can't remember) which normally motivates you. So the harder you work, the less your brain rewards you, so the harder you have to work. Like trying to focus on your homework when your friends are outside your window having fun. It's harder to focus, and to push yourself to complete the work.

But I said it wasn't all bad. If an ADHD person IS motivated... Then the hyperfocus kicks in.

If I'm fired up, I can go for days without food or sleep, while I plug away at what I'm doing, with 10000% concentration. I can outperform anyone by a large margin. When I'm motivated and given free reign.

Also, ADHD people tend to think outside of the box. Sometimes, I can't even see the box. So ADHD people tend to be able to find creative solutions to problems, and research has suggested that a team with at least one ADHD person in it will tend to significantly outperform a team without one.

There are certain jobs that suit people with ADHD. The creative arts can be good. It has been said that ADHD is almost like a pre-requisite to be an entrepreneur. Sir Richard Branson has ADHD for example. Running a business doing something you enjoy takes care of the motivation, and also the dealing with the frustrations of working with a boss and co-workers.

People with ADHD thrive on challenges. Doing the same thing all day every day with no variation is a recipe for disaster. Pet projects are perfect. If an ADHD person is given their own problem to solve, they will solve it when they are allowed to do it themselves. Once they take ownership of a project that motivates them, it's a done deal.

We also thrive on crises. Every little thing in life is a crisis, so we are used to working effectively when it's all going to hell. We've been doing it all our lives. When others are panicking, an ADHD person will often enjoy the challenge and will get more fired up.
This is an absolutely spectacular answer. You seem to know quite a bit about this, and I know I definitely learned some new things from what you wrote. I was never quite sure whether or not I had ADD/ADHD either. I have certain symptoms it seems, but considering I have BPD and anxiety, they can probably be chalked up to that just as easily. I have tried ADD medication though, and it did make somewhat of a difference. I actually felt significantly better for a while. I wasn't on stimulants though. It was guanfacine. So who knows. I need to be reevaluated.
 
#17
Thanks for sharing @Some random guy. I finally got testing a couple days ago, so we'll see what the psychologist says.
Best of luck. It was a weird feeling for me when I ended up on an ADHD symptoms site out of curiosity (I was actually chasing a thread for College students illicitly using ADHD stimulants to help with focus during study and exams), and I found myself ticking a bunch of boxes, unexpectedly.

So I went to an ADHD self-test site and my suspicions were confirmed.

I went from having a bunch of seemingly random, disconnected symptoms which I had known all my life, but never dreamed would all tie into one convenient disorder. It is now difficult for me to distinguish between what is a symptom, and what is a part of my personality.

I had seen a multitude of different mental health professionals over the years (psychiatrists, psychologists, counselors, GPs, witch doctors, snake oilers and quacks). Not one of them had ever made even the slightest effort to try and find what my problem was. Inevitably, I would say something like "I don't know why my life is so rubbish, I'm depressed, what can I do?" I'd get a script for antidepressants and they would just roll on with whatever diagnosis I had given myself.

I had to do the research, look at symptoms, and then suggest a treatment. The Pros never once made any effort to dig deeper and look for a root cause, no matter how many times I asked about the possibility of underlying causes beyond just depression or anxiety.

So yeah. After 49 years, I walked in and told the Psychiatrist what I had, not the other way around. And it only cost me $450 to do their job for them.

On top of that, the guy is off his tree. He started making some pretty over the top comments about a certain section of the population needing to be taken out the back and shot. At first, I thought he was hitting me with some outrageously retarded comments to test my reactions. I told him I disagreed with his ideas. But as we went on, it became apparent that he was absolutely convinced that genocide was the way to go. Nice one.

Other pros have treated me with attitudes ranging from bland disdain to outright humiliation in a public place. Only a couple who showed at least empathy, or were even mildly helpful (including a student psych, maybe they have it drummed out of them in later training).

I'm not overly encouraged by what I've seen of the mental health community so far.
 
#18
This is an absolutely spectacular answer. You seem to know quite a bit about this, and I know I definitely learned some new things from what you wrote. I was never quite sure whether or not I had ADD/ADHD either. I have certain symptoms it seems, but considering I have BPD and anxiety, they can probably be chalked up to that just as easily. I have tried ADD medication though, and it did make somewhat of a difference. I actually felt significantly better for a while. I wasn't on stimulants though. It was guanfacine. So who knows. I need to be reevaluated.
Cheers, I'm glad you liked it.

I have some skills, definitely have some things I am very good at and enjoy doing. Unfortunately, I've never been able to make money out of doing things I enjoy and I'm good at.

From being a musician (ha ha... Good money in that! If you like getting paid in beer bottle caps) to the $100,000 I spent on a commercial pilot's license. Who knew that pilots get paid peanuts for 11 hour days, and having to pay for their own training? My fiance at the time "persuaded" me that I needed to live in the real world and get a real job. Our relationship fell apart not long after I gave away my dream job. But in hindsight, I had been concerned about my ability to avoid complications arising from my ADHD symptoms. I think I could have managed it, even excelled. But my confidence at the time was low.

Anyway, there has been a complete mismatch between my skills, my ability to make enough money to eat from them, and my enjoyment of the job I'm doing.

So now (when I'm working), I work 12-14 hours a day for 14 days/nights straight. I ingest toxic chemicals, put myself in harms way against hundreds of tonnes of spinning steel on a minute by minute basis, work in ambient temperatures ranging from below freezing to above 56C (around 125F I think), rain or shine. Dealing with people who are extremely conservative in their attitudes to anybody who is a little different. Ever had to work inside a furnace shed while wearing a full-face respirator and chemical suit, when outside it's hot enough to melt the road by 7am? It's not as much fun as it sounds.

I've been busting my gut (literally, I scored a hernia last year) for the last 6-7 years, and all I've got to show for it is a house that has dropped in value since I bought it, and a bank who is currently trying to take it from me. If they do take it, I'll have nothing to show except scars, from my entire working life. I'll be back to square one, but with a shitty credit rating and the payments I'll still have to make to cover the mortgage I'll still have to pay when the sale of my home comes up short.

That's why I love life so much. It's great to be able to slave your life away to make somebody else rich.
 
#19
It's not my usual style to whinge and whine about my life... Normally I just shut my mouth and "yes boss" until it's time to sleep. So apologies for making this all about me. But I also hope that if somebody else can relate to the things I've written, it might save them some pain.

Anyway, one Youtube channel I've found helpful and informative about ADHD is called "How To ADHD". (the text is linked, not sure how to make it more visible).

One video in particular that I could really relate to from this person (apart from the success) was "Failing at Normal: An ADHD Success Story." Particularly useful for showing other people some degree of what it's like to live with ADHD.

 

Aurelia

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#20
It's not my usual style to whinge and whine about my life... Normally I just shut my mouth and "yes boss" until it's time to sleep. So apologies for making this all about me. But I also hope that if somebody else can relate to the things I've written, it might save them some pain.

Anyway, one Youtube channel I've found helpful and informative about ADHD is called "How To ADHD". (the text is linked, not sure how to make it more visible).

One video in particular that I could really relate to from this person (apart from the success) was "Failing at Normal: An ADHD Success Story." Particularly useful for showing other people some degree of what it's like to live with ADHD.

You've said a lot of helpful things that I've never considered, so I don't see it as whining about your life at all.

If you don't mind, I actually have a couple of questions. What exactly is the difference between ADD and ADHD? Are people with ADHD actually hyperactive at times or does that vary depending on the individual? A lot of the symptoms you've mentioned actually seem to fit me a lot more than I thought.

To give you some examples: I get bored extremely easily. When I'm trying to watch a show, I keep getting the urge to check my phone every 20 minutes or brush my hair or other random things. I often forget what I've watched. I can't follow geographical directions for shit. If someone tells me something like, "Yeah, to get there, you make a left at the corner, keep going straight, then make a right when you see X and it'll be on your left at the next block," I stare at them blankly like "Huh?" I forget where I put things a lot because I'm usually doing it without thinking, and then panic when I realize I have no idea what I did with it. I have zero motivation when it comes to just about anything unless it's something I'm really interested in. And all that stuff about thinking outside the box, needing to be challenged constantly, and maintaing focus during crises also applies.
 

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