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Aurelia

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Hey...theme...hmm...in what conditions do "normal" people hallucinate?

Lmao...nvm. XD

How about a debate topic, such as....concerning recent events? Or ongoing ones?
Can share thoughts on the new virus outbreak, antivax, abortion (if that's allowed) etc. Stuff like that.
Oh, and also when taking hallucinogenic drugs like LSD or mushrooms.
 

1964dodge

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Technically, normal people hallucinate during sleep paralysis. It's a state between wakefulness and sleep, and the person's eyes are open, but they're still dreaming. And both oral and visual hallucinations are liable to happen.
I didn't know that, but it explains a lot when I was young, thank you....mike...*hug
 

Aurelia

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I didn't know that, but it explains a lot when I was young, thank you....mike...*hug
Yeah, the body remains paralyzed so that the person doesn't act out their dreams, but the eyes are open and you see everything around you. And when hallucinations happen, you hear/see things that aren't really in the room. Usually, it's really scary crap. And not being able to move makes it that much scarier.
 

Tana

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Yeah, the body remains paralyzed so that the person doesn't act out their dreams, but the eyes are open and you see everything around you. And when hallucinations happen, you hear/see things that aren't really in the room. Usually, it's really scary crap. And not being able to move makes it that much scarier.
I had sleep paralyzes 2 times...I think it was because I'd lay on my back (it's a possible cause-...not kidding)...and anyway, it was years ago, but I sort of recall it and yeah..scary.

Basically, once I saw a shadow above me when I laid and couldn't move or scream (make a sound even)....another time, there was a shadow/ghost by the window and (again) couldn't move or scream. It was both greyish and "terrifying" (not sure how else to describe...).

If I remember it correctly, it's mostly an issue when REM sleep gets interrupted or something, and brain is "half asleep half awake", and has nothing to do with any sort of mental illnesses...so yeah, I suppose "normal" people have that too.

Speaking of sleep paralyzes though..it reminds me of the cheery opposite...lucid dreaming.
I've had that nearly every night at one point, and it was awesome...mostly just used it for flying though...Which I think is "normal".

For those who don't know: A lucid dream is a dream in which you're fully aware you're dreaming so you can do whatever you want. Have full control of it.
 

Aurelia

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#28
I had sleep paralyzes 2 times...I think it was because I'd lay on my back (it's a possible cause-...not kidding)...and anyway, it was years ago, but I sort of recall it and yeah..scary.

Basically, once I saw a shadow above me when I laid and couldn't move or scream (make a sound even)....another time, there was a shadow/ghost by the window and (again) couldn't move or scream. It was both greyish and "terrifying" (not sure how else to describe...).

If I remember it correctly, it's mostly an issue when REM sleep gets interrupted or something, and brain is "half asleep half awake", and has nothing to do with any sort of mental illnesses...so yeah, I suppose "normal" people have that too.

Speaking of sleep paralyzes though..it reminds me of the cheery opposite...lucid dreaming.
I've had that nearly every night at one point, and it was awesome...mostly just used it for flying though...Which I think is "normal".

For those who don't know: A lucid dream is a dream in which you're fully aware you're dreaming so you can do whatever you want. Have full control of it.
Yes, I've attempted to induce a lucid dream before, and was successful in doing so. However, it does take practice to be able to fully control it.

Also, sleep paralysis actually is more likely to happen to those who have a mental illness than those who don't. It can happen to anyone, mind you, but those with depression or anxiety and such are more susceptible to it. And yes, lying on your back also makes it more likely to happen. So does lucid dreaming, actually. A lot of people have experienced sleep paralysis when waking up from a lucid dream, myself included. Nevertheless, it's still worth it, in my opinion, to practice lucid dreaming.

By the way, to wake yourself from sleep paralysis, people say that if you try to move a finger or toe, it can help to wake you. Although, my personal way to wake myself is forcefully try to shake my head until it wakes me up.
 

1964dodge

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I haven't had sleep paralysis since I was a teen or a little before and I remember the basics all these years later. I would think someone was in my bedroom and was going to get me. I couldn't move and I tried to scream but I couldn't utter a sound. it seemed to last a long time but I didn't know if it was long or not. sometimes I knew I was in the middle of a bad dream but couldn't stop it. and yes I had to keep trying to move things to wake up but I don't remember what. and I used to be good at lucid dreaming for about a year but I pretty much lost it. and I won't mention what a 19 year old teen male was lucid dreaming about, except in the tavern lol...mike
 

Tana

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Yes, I've attempted to induce a lucid dream before, and was successful in doing so. However, it does take practice to be able to fully control it.

Also, sleep paralysis actually is more likely to happen to those who have a mental illness than those who don't. It can happen to anyone, mind you, but those with depression or anxiety and such are more susceptible to it. And yes, lying on your back also makes it more likely to happen. So does lucid dreaming, actually. A lot of people have experienced sleep paralysis when waking up from a lucid dream, myself included. Nevertheless, it's still worth it, in my opinion, to practice lucid dreaming.

By the way, to wake yourself from sleep paralysis, people say that if you try to move a finger or toe, it can help to wake you. Although, my personal way to wake myself is forcefully try to shake my head until it wakes me up.
I know some people try methods to achieve that sleep, but I honestly didn't do anything. At least not that I'm aware of.
I do, however, speculate, my sleeping mind believed I needed that kind of a release since I was very much trapped in the "real world" with severe social anxiety and all that. Perhaps the anxiety itself, not the situation actually triggered it, but i'm just theorising...I don't actually know how dreams work lol. But am pretty sure they come from your psych, which is your believes/needs/fears etc...(?)

....I guess, since I stopped laying on my back, this could also be why I'm neither lucid dreaming or having sleep paralyzes anymore? Probably to a point, but I don't think it's the only missing requirement.

Anyway, I wouldn't agree that a lucid dream (or even 10) is/are worth the sleep paralyzes, but to each their own. Plus, depends how you experience those 2.
 

Tana

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I haven't had sleep paralysis since I was a teen or a little before and I remember the basics all these years later. I would think someone was in my bedroom and was going to get me. I couldn't move and I tried to scream but I couldn't utter a sound. it seemed to last a long time but I didn't know if it was long or not. sometimes I knew I was in the middle of a bad dream but couldn't stop it. and yes I had to keep trying to move things to wake up but I don't remember what. and I used to be good at lucid dreaming for about a year but I pretty much lost it. and I won't mention what a 19 year old teen male was lucid dreaming about, except in the tavern lol...mike
I think I likely did what I do in more normal dreams/nightmeres when I'm only half-aware I'm dreaming, but try to scream to wake myself up...eventually, I manage to utter a low sound which wakes me up. Takes a ton of effort though.
 

Aurelia

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#32
I haven't had sleep paralysis since I was a teen or a little before and I remember the basics all these years later. I would think someone was in my bedroom and was going to get me. I couldn't move and I tried to scream but I couldn't utter a sound. it seemed to last a long time but I didn't know if it was long or not. sometimes I knew I was in the middle of a bad dream but couldn't stop it. and yes I had to keep trying to move things to wake up but I don't remember what. and I used to be good at lucid dreaming for about a year but I pretty much lost it. and I won't mention what a 19 year old teen male was lucid dreaming about, except in the tavern lol...mike
There are several different sleep cycles that the body goes through during a regular night's sleep. Each cycle lasts about 90 minutes, and there are five different stages during each cycle. The first four are non-REM sleep, and the fifth is REM sleep. During REM sleep is when dreaming happens. And the actual dreaming part actually only lasts about 10 minutes.
 

Tana

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I haven't had sleep paralysis since I was a teen or a little before and I remember the basics all these years later. I would think someone was in my bedroom and was going to get me. I couldn't move and I tried to scream but I couldn't utter a sound. it seemed to last a long time but I didn't know if it was long or not. sometimes I knew I was in the middle of a bad dream but couldn't stop it. and yes I had to keep trying to move things to wake up but I don't remember what. and I used to be good at lucid dreaming for about a year but I pretty much lost it. and I won't mention what a 19 year old teen male was lucid dreaming about, except in the tavern lol...mike
btw...I think I know what you lucid dreamed about...because besides flying... I did that too. xD
 

Aurelia

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#35
I know some people try methods to achieve that sleep, but I honestly didn't do anything. At least not that I'm aware of.
I do, however, speculate, my sleeping mind believed I needed that kind of a release since I was very much trapped in the "real world" with severe social anxiety and all that. Perhaps the anxiety itself, not the situation actually triggered it, but i'm just theorising...I don't actually know how dreams work lol. But am pretty sure they come from your psych, which is your believes/needs/fears etc...(?)

....I guess, since I stopped laying on my back, this could also be why I'm neither lucid dreaming or having sleep paralyzes anymore? Probably to a point, but I don't think it's the only missing requirement.

Anyway, I wouldn't agree that a lucid dream (or even 10) is/are worth the sleep paralyzes, but to each their own. Plus, depends how you experience those 2.
Well, the reason it's worth it to me is because I know I can always wake myself up before anything too creepy happens. Plus, like you said, it's a nice escape from reality, and can actually help you deal with some real life issues because it gives you a look deep into your subconscious mind.
 

Tana

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#36
Speaking of dreams...did anyone ever dream they went to the bathroom, and set on the toilet and theeeen....woke up and ran to the actual toilet or something? If you catch my drift.

Also..some things can feel so real in dreams...I'm not sure if I'm allowed to say this, so feel free to edit it out, but I've had actual ... hmm.... *pleasing releases* in them, after *doing stuff with the nice anime lady with a huge, beautiful personality*. ...not just once, but you know.

That's normal, right? Lol.
 

1964dodge

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#38
I think bathroom dreams are pretty normal. if I have to go you know #1 and I can't wake up I get a dream of going. they get more and more intense and I run to the finish line just in time when I wake up. yea that would be embarrassing to have an oops. I think it's the body's way of saying time to get up or else lol...mike
 

Tana

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I think bathroom dreams are pretty normal. if I have to go you know #1 and I can't wake up I get a dream of going. they get more and more intense and I run to the finish line just in time when I wake up. yea that would be embarrassing to have an oops. I think it's the body's way of saying time to get up or else lol...mike
So...toilets and "oops" is normal but anime girls aren't?
To each their own...

---- I'm really sleepy and just tried to make a certain joke, which I think fell very flat but anyway....

Fun chat. Good night people. Have a fun day, or/and sleep well. *hug
 

1964dodge

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#40
goodnight and sweet dreams. try not to confuse the anime dream with the toilet dream it could get messy and I can't say more because I have to behave myself lol...mike...*hug
 
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