Jim's Café, Friday, July 13, 2018

[Woowoo]

Thanks for the tag @AsphyxiateOnWords

I try to be positive and keep hope that things will get better, but I try to make sure that what I hope for is realistic. I've had enough shit and disappointments in my life, I don't want to set myself up for more by hoping for something which is never going to happen.

Anyway, happy Friday. Hope y'all are having a good day @Ash600 @bobbob @nobodyknows71 @may71 @Debzy @Sunday16 @PatrickFL @Winter Blues @Winslow @Lara_C

 

[Ash600]

I just try to separate hope from dreams.

That way one remains a possibility and so has less chances of ending in disappointment, and the other, well they're just dreams.

 

[Manifesto]

I watched The Dark Knight Rises my bestfriend yesterday. For those of you who haven't seen it, it's a sequel to Batman begins, and The Dark Knight.

Is that the movie where Agent Rhodes dies?

When you hope for something, what do you tell your mind when it asks if what you're hoping for isn't realistic?

Would you give up hope if it was indeed unrealistic?

Why or why not?

Does one ever really hope for something unrealistic in regards to their goals? If you hope for something good to happen in your life, you already told yourself it's achievable. Whether it be getting accepted into a program that only takes 15 applicants, working for that dream company, or achieving a personal best in something.. the fact that you are already pursuing something means you already have hope for it.

There's a difference between logical hope and illogical. Illogical hope is when you're younger and have expectations beyond your limitations, which you later on realise you have.. but even so.. once you realise your limitations you can work with your resources to overcome these self percieved obstacles. Resources including a further understanding by research, seeking help for overcoming your doubts and understanding that some things aren't achievable on your own and it'll take more than yourself to accomplish your dreams, such as a civil rights movement or overthrowing a tyrannical government. You're aware of your limitations when you're in the right mindset, and what I mean by that: There's moods for believing you can achieve anything and moods for believing you can achieve nothing. You're referring to the mood where nothing is achievable in your mind, and that's up to you to devise a plan to overcome these doubts, with the help of friends who know your capabilities and potential and helping you see this through. I believe you can achieve anything you set your mind to, especially when even for a second you believe you can do it. That just shows that you know you can achieve it.



Also, sorry for hijacking this post without being tagged, the topic at hand hits close to home, and I'm a hypocrite with writing the above but it may help someone not succumb to the same mistakes I have. (Also sorry if the post is hard to follow, running on a few hours of sleep the past couple days and proofreading is a thing of the past)

 

[Sunspots]

sorry for hijacking this post without being tagged

Jim's Cafe is a place for everyone to come and hang out - you don't need to be tagged

There's a difference between logical hope and illogical. Illogical hope is when you're younger and have expectations beyond your limitations, which you later on realise you have..

That's a tricky one. I often think most of my problems stem from the fact that I still hang on to those childhood dreams even though I'm 49. I can't seem to accept that they're just not attainable, however illogical they are in reality.

 

[Lara_C]

When you hope for something, what do you tell your mind when it asks if what you're hoping for isn't realistic?

Would you give up hope if it was indeed unrealistic?

Why or why not?

Great question. I think it depends whether what we are hoping for is in fact unrealistic, but often perception itself isn't realistic or objective. When life seems like too much of a challenge to keep going, I tell myself that everything is temporary and will pass. So far, I've been proven right, so I've learned to doubt my doubts about overcoming present troubles. I can accept the challenge now more than I used to.

 

[Shorty92]

Defo always hope, what do we have without hope. I hope for realistic and unrealistic things all the time, my mum has always said I live in a fairy world but I’m happy so what’s the problem hope the film was good! @Tomboy

 

[Inanimate]

Guten Morgen.

How's everyone doing today?

[ SPOILER ALERT ]

I watched The Dark Knight Rises my bestfriend yesterday. For those of you who haven't seen it, it's a sequel to Batman begins, and The Dark Knight.

In the story, the protagonist, Bane, holds Gotham hostage with the threat of a nuclear bomb. His purpose was to blow the city up anyway, but he wanted to give the residents a false sense of hope, because he thought that would hurt alot more.

When you hope for something, what do you tell your mind when it asks if what you're hoping for isn't realistic?

Would you give up hope if it was indeed unrealistic?

Why or why not?

It's a misconception, hell, a mass delusion, that hope is a sign of strength.

Hope, faith, trust, and belief, are all synonymous to reliance.

Despair or disbelief is the (willful) rejection of belief, as opposed to realism: the lack thereof.

That being said, hope in itself is unrealistic. When I do indulge in hope or despair, I'd like to say that I actively inculcate a modicum of objectivity into my judgment. Rather, I rely on the perpetual consequences of my polarized negligence to either lash me into oblivion, or impel me to move in an unprecedented direction.

In other words, yes, hopefully.

Also, as to how I'm doing, I'm preoccupied for the time being. How are you doing?

 

[Aurelia]

That being said, hope in itself is unrealistic.

I agree with this. Hope is wanting something that may never come. It's not in any way based in reality.

 

[LonelyHiker]

Thanks for the tag @Kiwi2016

 

[bobbob]

I agree with this. Hope is wanting something that may never come. It's not in any way based in reality.

Hope is simply believing that something you would like to happen could happen. In some cases, it will be soemthing which is very likely to happen. In some cases, it will be impossible. In most cases, it will be somewhere in between. Therefore, imo, hope can be based in a reality in the sense that -
1. you can hope for something which happens but it was unrealistic to hope for it at the time that you hoped for it, either because (a) it was highly unlikley to happen in terms of probability and/or (b) it should have seemed highly unlikley on the basis of the knowledge you had at the time.
2. You can hope for somthing which doesnt happen but it was realistic for you to have hoped for it at the time that you hoped for it.
3. You can hope for something which happens and it was realistic to hope for it to happen.

Feck knows why I just spent five mins working out those daft categories!

 

[Aurelia]

@bobbob By hoping for something to happen in the future, you're paying less attention to the present moment, and basically "existing" in a future that hasn't happened yet. Also, rather than accepting circumstances for what they are, you're making a mental note to be at least slightly disappointed in the future if what you're hoping for doesn't happen.

 

[Winter Blues]

I hope every day - I don't think my hopes are unrealistic but ones hopes don't always depend on yourself - they depend on others - maybe that's unrealistic But without HOPE I genuinely wouldn't be here. I seem to have the ability to hope and believe that something will happen - then when it doesn't I move the goalpost and hope again. It is the only way I wake up in the morning. One thing I do hope for - is that SF continues to thrive and be a big part in my life xx

 

[Winter Blues]

@bobbob By hoping for something to happen in the future, you're paying less attention to the present moment, and basically "existing" in a future that hasn't happened yet. Also, rather than accepting circumstances for what they are, you're making a mental note to be at least slightly disappointed in the future if what you're hoping for doesn't happen.

I get this, I really do and in many ways I so wish I could live in the moment. But when the moment hurts like holy fxxx - hope is surely the next best thing.

 

[Aurelia]

I get this, I really do and in many ways I so wish I could live in the moment. But when the moment hurts like holy fxxx - hope is surely the next best thing.

I don't always live in the moment. I do end up hoping for things at times, and looking back at the past often. But I just meant that, looking at it objectively, there's no point in it.

When it hurts like holy hell, I need a guarantee, not hope, not a "maybe". And if I don't get that guarantee...well, I guess I will either deal with the pain or say "fuck it, no more".

 

[Winter Blues]

I don't always live in the moment. I do end up hoping for things at times, and looking back at the past often. But I just meant that, looking at it objectively, there's no point in it.

When it hurts like holy hell, I need a guarantee, not hope, not a "maybe". And if I don't get that guarantee...well, I guess I will either deal with the pain or say "fuck it, no more".

Fully with you there .. I guess hope is always deep down inside all of us somewhere otherwise why am I still here xxx

 

[Tomboy]

Is that the movie where Agent Rhodes dies?

Does one ever really hope for something unrealistic in regards to their goals? If you hope for something good to happen in your life, you already told yourself it's achievable. Whether it be getting accepted into a program that only takes 15 applicants, working for that dream company, or achieving a personal best in something.. the fact that you are already pursuing something means you already have hope for it.

There's a difference between logical hope and illogical. Illogical hope is when you're younger and have expectations beyond your limitations, which you later on realise you have.. but even so.. once you realise your limitations you can work with your resources to overcome these self percieved obstacles. Resources including a further understanding by research, seeking help for overcoming your doubts and understanding that some things aren't achievable on your own and it'll take more than yourself to accomplish your dreams, such as a civil rights movement or overthrowing a tyrannical government. You're aware of your limitations when you're in the right mindset, and what I mean by that: There's moods for believing you can achieve anything and moods for believing you can achieve nothing. You're referring to the mood where nothing is achievable in your mind, and that's up to you to devise a plan to overcome these doubts, with the help of friends who know your capabilities and potential and helping you see this through. I believe you can achieve anything you set your mind to, especially when even for a second you believe you can do it. That just shows that you know you can achieve it.



Also, sorry for hijacking this post without being tagged, the topic at hand hits close to home, and I'm a hypocrite with writing the above but it may help someone not succumb to the same mistakes I have. (Also sorry if the post is hard to follow, running on a few hours of sleep the past couple days and proofreading is a thing of the past)

It did indeed help someone.

 

[dandelions]

I agree with this. Hope is wanting something that may never come. It's not in any way based in reality.

I think that if you are hoping for something, it is important to envision it too. It then becomes a more real thing in your mind. And if it is possible you become more able/likely to achieve it

 

[dandelions]

I hope every day - I don't think my hopes are unrealistic but ones hopes don't always depend on yourself - they depend on others - maybe that's unrealistic But without HOPE I genuinely wouldn't be here. I seem to have the ability to hope and believe that something will happen - then when it doesn't I move the goalpost and hope again. It is the only way I wake up in the morning. One thing I do hope for - is that SF continues to thrive and be a big part in my life xx

I think, hoping mostly means you would like what you hope for as an outcome. Did someone say that? So then I believe that is when envision ing should come into play

 

[A Hopeless SOD named Bill]

@A Hopeless SOD named Bill

thanks for the tag Bill :p

so, is this the topic for Jim's Cafe tonight? or was it last night's? I'm sorry, I get confused by the UK time and the USA time.

 

[Witty_Sarcasm]

Nah, this is the one from last night. I'll open the new one after midnight if no one has by that time. :P