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Velveteen Bunny

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I hear you. I feel much the same, regarding the state of the world we live in and what's to be done about it, when so many are complacent, apathetic, tired, trapped... just like so many of us on here are and feel.

For what it's worth, here's some things that I have stored up on my bucket list that I personally want to accomplish, to feel like I am not a complete failure (which I really am, by my own standards). At the end of the day, we only can be responsible for our own selves. We can live in bitterness (I do, but I feel that I am better than that, I don't want to have that ugly negative view of myself that just brings me down further) or we can say to ourselves, okay, what are we (I always say that when I'm talking to myself -- as in me, the physical person and me, the mental person) going to do to get our AIG to get out of this self-defeating rut? I've thought about starting a YouTube video blog, and talking about the things I'm frustrated and angry about. On my negative thinking days, my thoughts run something like this: It's been said and done so many times. What could I possibly say that hasn't been said already? Same with an online blog or writing articles. The Internet is becoming saturated. I would like to think I could help clarify someone's thoughts, but hardly anyone has the time and patience to listen or read to long videos or pieces of writing these days. And then on my more positive days, I think: Well, I will just put something out there, and if someone finds some benefit, great; if not, so be it. This is the attitude I am finally coming to have with my artwork and making peace with myself, so that the perfectionist part of me doesn't ruin my life by always stepping in and saying: You're Not Good Enough So Why Bother? I am learning this through adult coloring books and ZenTangle. I do coloring and doodling for the pure creative pleasure of it, not to show anyone, make money (although that would be nice), or get admiration or compliments from other people. I do have an idea to do speed coloring and drawing videos, because I like watching those myself, not because I want to gain anything, but because I would like to share with others and give something free (which I'm doing anyway) that other people might enjoy watching. I was just thinking the other day, how all these crappy economical/societal systems that we've been given are not working and all result in the same outcome, because the greedy bastards always rise to the top and manipulate anything that may have been started for the good. For instance, I love the Arts and Crafts movement, but some of the people who were involved in it were Socialists and many times have been painted with a negative brush. Well, what if they had good intentions and were just naive enough to think that their ideas and plans would make a better world? Part of their ideas involved eugenics. I have initially thought any kind of eugenics is purely evil. But then after seeing how much damage narcissists and psychopath people do by having children who will quite possibly turn out like them, then I wonder maybe eugenics isn't such a bad idea after all. My sister's daughter has beaten the shit out of my sister a few times, and I fully believe that someone like that should not have been allowed to exist.

If you can find a way to get out of the rotten system that you despise, do so. Make plans, write them down, implement them, step-by-step, take baby steps at times and larger ones when you can. If you have no ideas or where to start, there are many people who feel exactly the same as we do, and they talk about it online in forums, social media, videos, articles, etc. and you can get ideas from them and when something resonates, write it down and take notes. Eventually you will see a way out. Do it for your children, especially.
 

Velveteen Bunny

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#42
Yeah, many sides to this problem, and all have validity. I hope at least one person can find some of the people that I have listened to and read from to make sense of what's really going on in the bigger scheme of things and why we are being deliberately made to feel that there is nothing we, personally can do to make our own lives better... which is a complete lie. When you realize and begin to see things for what they really are, then you will be able to find the motivation to make adjustments in your own personal life. You can only worry about yourself and your dependents, and if others see what you're doing, they may be inspired to do the same. You can't force/manipulate adult people to do what you want them to do, because that's unethical.

We all have different views because of what our life circumstances are, and all should be respected. It is a very hard thing to accept that one works all their life and has much of their earnings taken away by taxes, and feel bitter about seeing people who are playing the system. The OP said he has no problem with supporting those in need, while some others were saying that they have benefited because they were in need. Both, rightly so.

I have learned so much from these people: Alan Watt (no s on the end), David Noakes, Henry Makow, James Corbett, Miles Mathis, Rabbi Martin Antelman, Antony Sutton, for starters.
 
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#43
I can understand why people have strong feelings about political and social issues, but it seems like the OP was looking for support, but got more debate than support.

My hope is that SF can support people regardless of what their background is, or their beliefs. I don't think we succeeded here.

Imho, if a post can't be focused on supporting the OP, it's better not to post. Regardless of the merits of the arguments made here, it seems like this thread devolved into something that's pushing mtLife closer to suicide, not helping him take a step back.

Maybe this thread should be locked?
Just a quick response. Many people read these threads besides the OP. My own initial response came after the OP seemed to ignore many gentle responses and continue in the same vein. Some people need a more strongly worded response especially when they are spouting ideology that targets other groups whose members belong to this forum. Someone who is stating that because he's a healthy middle class white male all he gets is a tax bill for the "lazy" folk on benefits is being offensive. Do others here have to swallow his bigotry to spare his feelings? We have many members from diverse groups here. Yes, he very deliberately implied that the responses that challenged him (interspersed as they were with many good suggestions and wishes) will make him end his life I hope he doesn't but there are others here to consider as well
 

Sunspots

To Wish Impossible Things
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#45
I can understand why people have strong feelings about political and social issues, but it seems like the OP was looking for support, but got more debate than support.

My hope is that SF can support people regardless of what their background is, or their beliefs. I don't think we succeeded here.

Imho, if a post can't be focused on supporting the OP, it's better not to post. Regardless of the merits of the arguments made here, it seems like this thread devolved into something that's pushing mtLife closer to suicide, not helping him take a step back.

Maybe this thread should be locked?
You're totally right of course and I apologize to MT.

I guess what I hope Mt takes from this is that in day to day life, yes we have very little control over how much tax we pay and where it goes, all we can do is vote and hope the majority feel the same way we do.

BUT his posts shows just how much he actually has to be thankful for, even though it's hard to see when in the grips of depression. Happy kids, a good job (which also probably means a decent home and security), good healthcare and education for both him and his children.

These things are so important. But it doesn't mean depression won't set in. We all know that depression doesn't need a reason. I know when I was at my worst all I could focus on was the hideousness in the world - I couldn't even comprehend how much there was in fact to be thankful for. It took therapy and a lot of posts on SF for me to even begin to see that. I can't change the world and that at times still overwhelms me but I can now appreciate the good stuff. And there's an awful lot of it when you stop and think. This was always going to be a very emotive subject but I hope that by reading the replies it will help Mt to realise what he does have. And that's worth fighting for.

Mt, your kids need you to stick around. They will always need you. No amount of insurance or investments will make up for your absence. Please consider some form of treatment. You never know, it just might help and at this point what do you have to lose?
 

Ash600

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#46
It seems here that the OP made a few errors of judgement in the way he expressed some of his views. But then again, can it be said that anyone who winds up here for the first time happens to be in a calm state of mind?

Amongst some words of support were argument and counter-arguement. For a relatively new member, this could've appeared to be quite the hostile introduction to this site. Perhaps an earlier word in private would've benefited all instead of allowing things to get to the point where we are all now?

I have no idea if the OP has come back or has any intentions of doing so, but maybe it would be wise to lock this thread, and take some learning points from this episode so as to hopefully avoid any further repeats down the line.
 
#47
Some people need a more strongly worded response especially when they are spouting ideology that targets other groups whose members belong to this forum
A number of members here clearly were triggered by this thread. I think that's perfectly understandable. The issue for me is that when the purpose of a post is to express anger or frustration with a member, then a thread has really veered dramatically off course from its intended purpose of helping a suicidal person stay safe and feel less suicidal.

I'm not saying that members here aren't entitled to have an emotional reaction to what someone says here, but it would better to report the thread as triggering rather than to engage the OP in a debate.

Maybe there could be some discussion among the mods about how to handle something like this?
 

Waves

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#48
Hi,

I registered because I'm struggling and want to know people's thoughts.

I'm a single educated professional, with a good job and perfect children.

But I struggle to continue in life because of failures in the world.

I'm fine with me, but everything outside is completely fucked up and only getting worse.

I don't want to be part of this joke of a society anymore.

Politicians waging wars, laws that make no sense and favour the law breaker, taxes that rape the middle class whilst giving to the lazy and super rich.

Unqualified people making decisions affecting millions of people's lives without justification or recourse.

With each day that passes, I just want to be here less and less, and of it wasn't for my children, I would've already been gone by now.

I cannot effect change in what's causing my want to leave, and with every passing day, there's just another reason to go.

I've fought to get what I have and where I am, but I'm tied and worn out.

Can I have thoughts please?
Are you my twin. I am you minus children. So I can end it without consequences
 
#49
For the record I did report my own second/continued post so a mod would look at it, and said it should maybe be deleted if it was confrontational. I also asked a pro in chat to look at it. I could not delete it myself as the time had expired.

I also reported the thread.

I'm not certain that would have made a difference as even Citizen's very softly worded post seemed to give offence.

@Sunspots - there was nothing in your post that even remotely could be considered provocative and I found it extremely supportive of the OP. You have nothing to apologize for.
 
#50
The title of this thread speaks volumes..

Just my 2c


The OP asked in his initial post (twice) "can I have your thoughts please?"

He was obliged, and was offered quite a bit of support, which he then shouldered aside.

But everyone is now treating the OP meanly?

🤔😕


Yeah, I think this thread should be locked too, but not for the reasons stated...
 

Auri

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#51
Hi @mtLife , welcome to SF. I'm sorry you feel so much pain, but I'm glad you found us. I hope we can help a bit. *sadhug

Unless it's in the "Opinions, Beliefs & Point of Views" subforum or similar, SF is not the best place for such discussions, we're mainly about peer-to-peer support, and everyone deserves to complain and be heard (as long as they follow the rules and aren't rude, of course). Not blaming anyone here, it's ok, you're all entitled to your opinions. But thank you for understanding. ♡

I locked the thread. :)
 
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