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another world

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Hi all. Not sure if this needs any trigger warnings or anything, but here we go...


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I joined the forum a few days ago. I had the thought that it would be a good idea if there was a forum for talking about suicidal thoughts, but in a way that might be hard to explain.

In this hypothetical forum, someone would say something like: "I have X, Y and Z problems, I've tried many things but they tended to make things worse if anything, society looks down on me etc., therefore suicide seems kind of 'rational' even though you're not supposed to do it etc."

Then the person and other forum members could analyze the statements. The idea would be to acknowledge if a particular statement is correct, incorrect or partly correct, leading towards weighing up the pros and cons of the statements as a totality. So kind of a rational, dispassionate analysis of it all. If you're worried that this might sometimes encourage acting on the thoughts, that's not the point, it's about analyzing whether the thoughts make some kind of rational sense. Even if they appear to make sense, you still don't need to act on them. This reminds me now of a technique I read about where you journal in the third person rather than the first person, which helps you look at your issues in a more helpful way. I'm also reminded of another technique, but I'll avoid mentioning it here in case it looks like I'm spamming. Ask me about it if you like.

Anyway, that's not what this forum is really, but here I am!
 
may71

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Hello and welcome to SF! :)

another world said:
In this hypothetical forum, someone would say something like: "I have X, Y and Z problems, I've tried many things but they tended to make things worse if anything, society looks down on me etc., therefore suicide seems kind of 'rational' even though you're not supposed to do it etc."
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Idk. I think it's important to acknowledge that people have legitimate reasons why they want to kill themselves. It's not just something flimsy.

Usually there's a non-suicide way out though, and the non-suicide way out is clearly the better path, especially if you throw in injuries from suicide attempts.

I would want to acknowledge someone has good reasons to want to die, but I'd worry about encouraging an attempt.
 
Winslow

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may71 said:
Usually there's a non-suicide way out though, and the non-suicide way out is clearly the better path, especially if you throw in injuries from suicide attempts.

I would want to acknowledge someone has good reasons to want to die, but I'd worry about encouraging an attempt.
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Yes, I agree with you that suicide attempts can easily backfire. In many cases, the result of a botched suicide attempt is that the person winds up in a even worse condition than when he had not attempted. For example, the result of a botched suicide attempt is that it backfires but with severe brain damage, which leaves him paralyzed. In the worst case scenario, his body can be totally paralyzed so that he cannot move his legs or arms or hands at all. So a suicide attempt often makes it worse.
 
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another world

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may71 said:
Hello and welcome to SF! :)


Idk. I think it's important to acknowledge that people have legitimate reasons why they want to kill themselves. It's not just something flimsy.

Usually there's a non-suicide way out though, and the non-suicide way out is clearly the better path, especially if you throw in injuries from suicide attempts.

I would want to acknowledge someone has good reasons to want to die, but I'd worry about encouraging an attempt.
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Thanks.

Yeah the forum idea isn't something I've thought through deeply. I think it would be good for validating serious problems and pointing out issues and hypocrisies in society, the mental health world and the typical advice you might hear from people.

On the other hand, perhaps it could have the side effect of encouraging an attempt in a minority of cases, even though the forum would stress that this isn't the point of the forum etc.
 
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another world

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Winslow said:
Yes, I agree with you that suicide attempts can easily backfire. In many cases, the result of a botched suicide attempt is that the person winds up in a even worse condition than when he had not attempted. For example, the result of a botched suicide attempt is that it backfires but with severe brain damage, which leaves him paralyzed. In the worst case scenario, his body can be totally paralyzed so that he cannot move his legs or arms or hands at all. So a suicide attempt often makes it worse.
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Indeed. Maybe the hypothetical forum could avoid using the word suicide and be more about general unhappiness or something.
 
Something.idk

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another world said:
Thanks.

Yeah the forum idea isn't something I've thought through deeply. I think it would be good for validating serious problems and pointing out issues and hypocrisies in society, the mental health world and the typical advice you might hear from people.

On the other hand, perhaps it could have the side effect of encouraging an attempt in a minority of cases, even though the forum would stress that this isn't the point of the forum etc.
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I remember reading somewhere that in households where suicide was a considered option and wasn't really shamed, suicides were less likely to happen. I've forgotten where i read it but i just thought it was interesting.
 
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another world

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Something.idk said:
I remember reading somewhere that in households where suicide was a considered option and wasn't really shamed, suicides were less likely to happen. I've forgotten where i read it but i just thought it was interesting.
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"Who would fardels bear?" ;-)

I_waste_everything said:
I read you. If that is so, then wishing you good luck finding what you need. If you ever change your mind, the candle in the window always burns.
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Eloquently put, see you around perhaps.

No plans to end it or anything, but I'm not overly concerned about my longevity at the moment. Won't be visiting a doctor anytime soon. I might embrace a kind of hobo, screw-the-judgers kind of lifestyle (my issues don't exactly give me the choice to live up to society's expectations anyway, and toxic idiots abound).

may71 said:
Why not? Maybe you'll like it here. I hope you'll come back.
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Thanks, maybe I will, perhaps I got the wrong impression or something.

All the best everyone.
 
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