Oh no, wow. That's totally not what I meant. I should have put everything down instead of assuming people would understand. I don't think people should be killed at all. No one has that right. Remorse, I meant as a way of helping, deterrence. If they understand what they have done, as part of the help sceme or whatever they're under, they could be shown compassion too. I didn't mean to like dump them in a cell to rot while feeling dead in themselves. That's rather sickening.
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I have to say there are a large numbers of criminals who are never going to feel any remorse and do not believe they have done anything wrong.
What do we do about them?
What do we do about them?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dnepropetrovsk_maniacs
In case anyone was unfamiliar with the story (it's horrific do not read while eating and DEFINITELY don't search for the video!)
In case anyone was unfamiliar with the story (it's horrific do not read while eating and DEFINITELY don't search for the video!)
Oh no, wow. That's totally not what I meant. I should have put everything down instead of assuming people would understand. I don't think people should be killed at all. No one has that right. Remorse, I meant as a way of helping, deterrence. If they understand what they have done, as part of the help sceme or whatever they're under, they could be shown compassion too. I didn't mean to like dump them in a cell to rot while feeling dead in themselves. That's rather sickening.
So tell me, what did you mean by this, then?
Interesting point. But I think they'd fall under the catagory that I mentioned earlier - whom we should help, regardless of the fact that they won't be fit for release. People with such mental scars inflicted upon them so that they can't feel remorse will likely be unable to feel joy either. So, help them. Allow them to deal with the demons of their past. Even if they can't lead a "normal" and free life, that doesn't mean they can't lead a happy one. No-one deserves to suffer for so long.
I once saw this question asked on The Wright Stuff.
Are people born evil or does it just develop? Because that's the question that is being asked now.
Did people develop into criminals due to emotional scarring? I'm sure that isn't true of everybody.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dnepropetrovsk_maniacs
In case anyone was unfamiliar with the story (it's horrific do not read while eating and DEFINITELY don't search for the video!)
In case anyone was unfamiliar with the story (it's horrific do not read while eating and DEFINITELY don't search for the video!)
And what good has simply throwing them in prison done them?
Using that time while they were isolated to try and help them couldn't have harmed, surely?
I don't support capital punishment anymore because I believe that a cold blooded murderer, with no just cause (self defence for example, which would likely be classed as manslaughter anyway, and not murder, depending) deserves to be punished, and killing the criminal could be an easy way out.
Prisons should have isolation cells, no pool tables, no TVs, or entertainment, they should have facilities to learn something useful for when they get out, and they certainly shouldn't get paid anything meaningful if they work in prison, they should have enough money when they get out so that if they havent got any housing, they could afford to rent a place for a few months, which would give them some time to find a job.
I'd support corporal punishment aswell, like lashings for extra punishment, many of you might disagree with me and claim that "they have human rights too" -well they should have thought about that before they commited their atrocity. Abuse as a child is no good reason to take it out on someone who has done nothing wrong against you, the person should seek help when the incident happens, not take it out on some unsuspecting victim, theres a name for that sort of thing, its called scapegoating. People who have a serious mental deficiancy should be treated differently though.
Prisons should have isolation cells, no pool tables, no TVs, or entertainment, they should have facilities to learn something useful for when they get out, and they certainly shouldn't get paid anything meaningful if they work in prison, they should have enough money when they get out so that if they havent got any housing, they could afford to rent a place for a few months, which would give them some time to find a job.
I'd support corporal punishment aswell, like lashings for extra punishment, many of you might disagree with me and claim that "they have human rights too" -well they should have thought about that before they commited their atrocity. Abuse as a child is no good reason to take it out on someone who has done nothing wrong against you, the person should seek help when the incident happens, not take it out on some unsuspecting victim, theres a name for that sort of thing, its called scapegoating. People who have a serious mental deficiancy should be treated differently though.
Okay but that would assume that they even had any demons.
I once saw this question asked on The Wright Stuff.
Are people born evil or does it just develop? Because that's the question that is being asked now.
Did people develop into criminals due to emotional scarring? I'm sure that isn't true of everybody.
I once saw this question asked on The Wright Stuff.
Are people born evil or does it just develop? Because that's the question that is being asked now.
Did people develop into criminals due to emotional scarring? I'm sure that isn't true of everybody.
I don't support capital punishment anymore because I believe that a cold blooded murderer, with no just cause (self defence for example, which would likely be classed as manslaughter anyway, and not murder, depending) deserves to be punished, and killing the criminal could be an easy way out.
Prisons should have isolation cells, no pool tables, no TVs, or entertainment, they should have facilities to learn something useful for when they get out, and they certainly shouldn't get paid anything meaningful if they work in prison, they should have enough money when they get out so that if they havent got any housing, they could afford to rent a place for a few months, which would give them some time to find a job.
I'd support corporal punishment aswell, like lashings for extra punishment, many of you might disagree with me and claim that "they have human rights too" -well they should have thought about that before they commited their atrocity. Abuse as a child is no good reason to take it out on someone who has done nothing wrong against you, the person should seek help when the incident happens, not take it out on some unsuspecting victim, theres a name for that sort of thing, its called scapegoating. People who have a serious mental deficiancy should be treated differently though.
Prisons should have isolation cells, no pool tables, no TVs, or entertainment, they should have facilities to learn something useful for when they get out, and they certainly shouldn't get paid anything meaningful if they work in prison, they should have enough money when they get out so that if they havent got any housing, they could afford to rent a place for a few months, which would give them some time to find a job.
I'd support corporal punishment aswell, like lashings for extra punishment, many of you might disagree with me and claim that "they have human rights too" -well they should have thought about that before they commited their atrocity. Abuse as a child is no good reason to take it out on someone who has done nothing wrong against you, the person should seek help when the incident happens, not take it out on some unsuspecting victim, theres a name for that sort of thing, its called scapegoating. People who have a serious mental deficiancy should be treated differently though.
"They'd never have to. If they're put into a high security prison, they have nothing to do but think. Then they'll get the pain they deserve."
So tell me, what did you mean by this, then?
So tell me, what did you mean by this, then?
I think we would ALL assume, anyone who does something of this (above story) magnitude would have a serious mental deficiency though, right?
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I wouldn't want something like that to happen to someone innocent, but how often is some wrongly convicted?
Edit: Actually, thats beside the point. Even if only one person is wrongly convicted per year, thats still one person thats been subjected to cruel punishment when they shouldn't have been.
I can't think of a way that I wrote that but it meaning what I'm on about. I have no idea why I wrote it like that. Unless I meant help instead of pain, but I don't think I did. Hm.. I'm not sure how that explains what I meant at all honestly. I meant though that once they're in a securitised prison, they'd have nothing to do but feel the remorse. After they've had that, which I believe they'd have to feel on some level, they'd be able to be helped. Otherwise, again, I don't see how you can help someone who does not understand what it is they're being helped with.
Just leaving people alone in a prison cell won't make them feel remorse. The problems are too deeply rooted for that.
http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/ronhuff.htm
Edit: Actually, thats beside the point. Even if only one person is wrongly convicted per year, thats still one person thats been subjected to cruel punishment when they shouldn't have been.
Edit: Actually, thats beside the point. Even if only one person is wrongly convicted per year, thats still one person thats been subjected to cruel punishment when they shouldn't have been.
I'll change what I said earlier about lashings though, I'd support it for those caught with DNA evidence, that way, those wrongly convicted, only get the basic punishment, which is obviously wrong, but its no physical pain at least. I have sympathy for them, but letting all the others off because of some innocent people doesn't cut the mustard for me.
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