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Faith is a Choice

Lara_C

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#1
It was a glorious day. The sun blazed from a cloudless blue sky as you and some friends set off on a drive to the coast, a spontaneous, spur of the moment decision. I picture you smiling and happy as you drive along without a care in the world, music blaring from the open windows as cool air breezed in. I see the heat haze rising from the road ahead as the dazzling ocean, sparkling like bubbling champagne, comes into view.

Later that night you left ******* to walk the short distance home. It had been another fun filled day that summer of sunshine, laughter and the company of friends and family, but now at 11 pm you felt tired. It was raining heavily now and you quickened your pace as you walked towards the main highway. Reaching the curb, you spotted a friend hurrying ahead on the other side and called to him to stop while you caught up with him. He turned round to see you step off the curb, then there was a screech of brakes and then nothing.

It has been ***** years since you were struck and killed by a speeding car that came out of nowhere on an empty road in the pouring rain. It was said later the rain was tears from heaven and you were singing Angels by Robbie Williams before you stepped out. I see you now as fate approached, singing about angels watching over you and about knowing you were blessed by love. I contemplate your final moments and hope you looked above and knew you were not forsaken. The thought, although bittersweet, is comforting.

Whenever I think of you and what happened that night, I find myself talking to you as if you were still around, as if you can hear me, as if you are still aware. In the waves of shock and devastation that hit after that terrible night, I struggled with the fact that someone so vibrant with life and with so much living still to be done, could be torn away in a heartbeat by the unpredictable and cruel hand of fate. It was as if a light had gone out and I was groping in the dark for some explanation that would make sense of the senseless.

As I sit here thinking of you again in silence, I sense you are listening, but from somewhere beyond this universe and beyond sadness and pain. In my mind's eye, you are forever radiant with youth and happiness, but still I wonder if I am deceiving myself and the connection I feel with you is only imaginary. Could it just be that the human mind cannot grasp the the terrible finality of death, and with it the ultimate meaninglessness of life, the universe and everything in it, including our hopes, loves, hates and fears? Is belief in eternal life and an end to all suffering just a fantasy born of fear and hope, created by the mind to avoid the truth that everything comes from nothing and ends in nothing?

Belief in a life after the present one cannot be proven or disproven and is a matter of faith. However it could be that the facts are kind and faith can take us where reason cannot. One of the greatest scientists of the twentieth century, Werner Heisenberg, urged us to revere the "things that are beyond science that matter" . As a co-founder of quantum mechanics, the most successful scientific theory to date, he drew attention to the "penetrating clarity" of colleagues who focused on creating scientific descriptions of the world, but neglected the creative mind or spirit which produces them. As he wrote, " behind this outward display of criticism and scepticism (lies) concealed a deep philosophical interest in those dark areas of reality, of the human soul, which elude the grasp of reason".

As I picture you now I see you as you were in the life I know, and I realise that faith is a choice. The question is not why should we believe what reason does not force us to believe, but why, in the absence of certain knowledge, some prefer to assume the worst outcome and others the best. While it may be argued we should face reality as it is and avoid delusions, however comforting they may be, it is the very uncertainty of knowledge about the nature of reality that makes hope of life after death possible. Those who choose to assume the best have nothing to lose except fear and a sense of emptiness and meaninglessness even if their faith and hope turns out to be unjustified.

Contemplating your final happy, carefree day of sunshine and laughter, and your final moments as you walked singing of angels to your uncontemplated fate, I know all the hopes and dreams of humanity may end in nothing, but also that if nothing awaits us at death, we will not know it and need not fear it if we have faith.
 
#2
Sorry to hear that you suffered this loss Clair

Is belief in eternal life and an end to all suffering just a fantasy born of fear and hope, created by the mind to avoid the truth that everything comes from nothing and ends in nothing?
Rationally, something can not come from nothing. If something can come from nothing, then the universe doesn't follow the rules of reason.
 

Lara_C

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#3
Sorry to hear that you suffered this loss Clair



Rationally, something can not come from nothing. If something can come from nothing, then the universe doesn't follow the rules of reason.
It seems counterintuitive to me, but some theoretical physicists, notably Lawrence Krauss, say something can indeed come from nothing. I suppose it depends on how you define 'no - thingness' though, lol! I think Krauss is maybe talking about a potential energy state from which matter is created.
 

Lara_C

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#4
The person I wrote about was a friend of my son, @may71 . He was just 17. I still cry when I think of him, although it was many years ago.
 

Atreides

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#5
Sorry to hear about your son's friend. A lot of the subject you're discussing is something I struggle with. I want to believe there's something more to life than what we see, and I want to believe we have some kind of purpose. I just don't see proof. Are you saying science can confirm these things? You seem pretty smart.
 

Lara_C

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#6
Hi @JDot, and thanks. I'm saying there are some things we don't know for sure, but which are still possible, and its this very uncertainty of our knowledge which gives rise to hope and faith that what might be true, will turn out to actually be true. I'm basically asking myself, if there is no proof for or against (an afterlife) why choose to believe the worst rather than the best.

One thing I do know though is that the love you have for someone who has passed away lives on and connects you to them still in the heart, despite their physical absence. Who is to say that connection isn't real - it certainly feels real?
 
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Atreides

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I'm basically asking myself, if there is no proof for or against (an afterlife) why choose to believe the worst rather than the best.
You have a point. Why believe the worst? I guess I'm so used to thinking everything's meaningless it will take practice to think the other way.
 

Lara_C

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#8
Like I say, it really comes down to choice, and there is nothing to lose by assuming the best, except fear, pain, sense of futility etc. And it could also turn out that the best assumption is true.

I do have other reasons for being skeptical of gloomy, life - limiting beliefs, but that's another topic.
 
#9
Rationally, something can not come from nothing. If something can come from nothing, then the universe doesn't follow the rules of reason.
We don't even know if the universe "came" from anything. It might have always been around. This we don't know. And it's also wrong to say that whatever happens "inside" of this universe has to follow the same rules as the universe itself. This is also something we don't know.
 

Lara_C

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#10
We don't even know if the universe "came" from anything. It might have always been around. This we don't know. And it's also wrong to say that whatever happens "inside" of this universe has to follow the same rules as the universe itself. This is also something we don't know.
I tend to think its inherently unknowable. There could have been a prior universe to our present one, but existence itself? How could we ever know if it had a beginning or not?
 
#11
I tend to think its inherently unknowable. There could have been a prior universe to our present one, but existence itself? How could we ever know if it had a beginning or not?
Yes, I think I agree with you that it is inherently unknowable.


"Inherently unknowable"

This might be the single most disturbing piece of text/concept I can think of :)
 

Lara_C

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#12
There's a kind of freedom in uncertainty tho@Meandmydog :) Its an argument against dogmatism for starters.

Anyway, I'm happy to take existence as the starting point, without wondering if it had a beginning or not, or why there's something rather than nothing, lol
 
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Human Ex Machinae

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#13
@Clair, you painted such a moving and vivid image for us of this young man's last day, that he lived again in all of us as we read. Thank you for sharing that.
Your post also raised some issues and questions that are the perfect thing for me, after waking in the middle of the night and then sitting down with a cup of coffee. Where to begin? Science, I guess. It's a wonderful thing. It can tell us what a daisy is made of, down to the atomic level, but it can tell us nothing about it's beauty or the feelings it evokes in us when we get down close to one in a field of green grass, and above and beyond it's petals we see an endless blue sky and a blazing sun. It's the same with us and our own lives under that endless sky. When we get down very close to our own core of consciousness and being, and examine what we experience there, we find that words and equations are unable to encompass it. What does our existence mean? Where does our essence emanate from, and where, if anywhere, will we go after our time under the blue sky is over? The answers to these questions are unknowable to us in that rational robotic part of our minds, the part that knows the sun is composed of hydrogen and helium, yet has nothing to say about how wonderful it is to feel its warmth again on our skin after a week of rainy days. But the larger, submerged part of our consciousness can feel those answers, even if words fail it in explaining them to us, and it has to use the symbols and feelings of dreams to try and lead us to them. Science is based on evidence, so what evidence do we have? The evidence that, for all of preceding time, and whatever came before time and the universe, we didn't exist, and yet, here we are. Non-being, non-existence, is just that measureless moment between two thoughts. A trillion years or a trillionth of a second, the same. We have evidence that, in us, and perhaps others somewhere, the universe, all of those rocks and gas clouds that science measures and counts, actually woke up and began to think about itself. So we know that magic is real, and in magic, everything is possible.
 

Lara_C

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#14
Yes, you put it so well! The biggest 'mystery' or 'miracle' for me is not so much that the universe exists, but that conscious beings exist. It's a whole new order of being, which imo cannot be explained on a purely materialist account.
 

Atreides

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#16
Yes, you put it so well! The biggest 'mystery' or 'miracle' for me is not so much that the universe exists, but that conscious beings exist. It's a whole new order of being, which imo cannot be explained on a purely materialist account.
Have you heard of the Fermi Paradox? If you are amazed about conscious beings you'll love the Fermi Paradox. http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/05/fermi-paradox.html
 

Lara_C

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#17
Definitely mind-bending @JDot, and a really good read. Picking out one sentence - "There’s even a chance that we’re all part of a computer simulation by some researcher from another world, and other forms of life simply weren’t programmed into the simulation"- there's no way we could find out if we were in 'the matrix' though somebody said to me the other day that scientific data shows the universe shows signs of pixelation!
 

afterlifepig

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#18
no worries afterlifepig is here! lol. sometimes i think people aren't meant to believe in the supernatural and that the secrets of the supernatural should be kept secret. so i'll just let one secret of mine slip... i believe in an afterlife and in God. i believe God has a plan for all of us and that's why the afterlife works - he literally has our neural nets at every moment memorized and He knows us. i think it's alright to say this because few people will see it and even fewer will believe me. i don't need faith, i have truth.
 

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