is it such an unreasonable thing to ask to give people control over their life

[a_little_sad_but_]

i get why my parents gave birth to me, they thought it will be good for them and good for me, it's obviously impossible to ask for permission before you give birth to someone. and sometimes this nonconsensual act will work in the child's favor, but what if he decide it didn't and also can't, it is sad but life is always sad, why does society think that preservation of life is the most important goal of all, what about freedom of choice?
now kids do not have a say in this, they're known for making impulsive and irrational decisions, but adults, like myself, just can't decide whether to continue or not.
it's like if you started to play a video game and it became boring/stressful/irritating, and you just don't want to play but people will force you to play it more and more, until you die, it's absurd! and in this story you even started to play yourself, not forced from outside, it still should be your right to quit.

and you can say that like children, adults also make impulsive and irrational decisions, especially when depressed, but that the thing, adults have the right to make mistakes that will not harm others, are you in favor of banning fast food, sugar, drinking, smoking, too much movies and youtube and so on?
and yes this particular decision will harm your close ones, but so is the other, if you harm yourself others will always be somehow affected. and who even decided that death is always harm? my life is good (relatively) and i still don't want to be here, bad teeth, no will-power and energy, no strength to get out of bed, fat, ugly and the rest of what's called life.
so imagine other people who actually suffer every day horrifically, won't it be better to reduce the suffering?
and don't even think to say that life has good moments too and thus it's worth living, i'm glad you feel that way but this trade is something every person should decide for themselves, to me, like the night sky who at the best of best cases has a lot of light sources, it still black. and so is life, it's just my choice that i can't make with dignity.
there is also an argument for abortion that is actually more applicable here, if you ban it you can reduce it, but not control it, if you would make a clinic where people could go and say openly that they want to die and plan to do something, and you offer them this service but on the condition of seeing someone before, and try to convince them to keep fighting, you can have the best outcome for them, but at the end of the day if they wanna to quit, let them.
unlike now when even people who can be "cured" will be rightfully afraid to say they planning to die, because mental institutions is without dispute the worst option in this case, and when they do go to a treatment, like i used to, they have to dance around this subject carefully and thus can't get the right treatment for them, even if such exist.

 

[Fbr27]

Maybe the idea that everyone should have the option to kill themselves would lead to some sort of societal collapse.

Many people secretly want to die, or at least they feel like suicide is something that they feel like they can get through.

Or maybe suicide would make suffering higher because of all the useful people that would kill themselves, many people would die for things that have feasible solutions out of desesperation.

Maybe life is a good that trumps all other goods that we can have in our lives. We do need to be living to have sex, marry, eat, look at nature, help other people. So killing ourselves is maybe a crime against society and even against ourselves.

 

[Lara_C]

why does society think that preservation of life is the most important goal of all, what about freedom of choice?

like children, adults also make impulsive and irrational decisions, especially when depressed, but that the thing, adults have the right to make mistakes that will not harm others, are you in favor of banning fast food, sugar, drinking, smoking, too much movies and youtube and so on?

I guess from the perspective of society it's not always easy to distinguish between suicide as a free, rational choice and suicide influenced by a mental disorder.

A person who suffers from persecutory delusions, for instance, may see suicide as the only way to escape unbearable pain, but given there are treatments for mental disorders, does society not have a duty of care to prevent ppl from killing themselves? On the other hand, in cases of terminal or incurable illness, suicide could be seen as a rational choice to escape unbearable suffering.

How many cases of suicide are actually the result of rational, autonomous choice and how do those with a duty of care tell the difference?

 

[Lara_C]

adults have the right to make mistakes that will not harm others, are you in favor of banning fast food, sugar, drinking, smoking, too much movies and youtube and so on?

Suicidal crises are often acute and require immediate intervention. They're not really comparable to the other things you mention. I think "society " does have a duty to educate ppl about risks to their health and provide services and treatment, but forcing them to quit smoking for example would not be justifiable as the degree of harm is not an immediate threat to their life requiring compulsory measures.

 

[LumberJack]

IDK - if life were a video game, I’d have hit reset a hundred times by now. That’s what, IMHO makes video games escapist- we don’t have an escape in life. As for feeling forced to exist, I am right there with you! However, my perspective is shifting, somehow/some way.

We are here. That fact is inescapable. Our parents made a poor decision. Mine seemed to not even want us; I always felt unwanted in childhood. They were both raised in churches that look down on birth control, so here I am with my siblings.

My consideration is that, now that I do exist, I don’t think suicide would remedy that fact. I have my reasons, but I don’t expect them to be your reasons. I am not talking about some otherworldly existence in which I continue in some form that is an extension of my life choices here, but the possibility that there are truths about reality that no human had access to until they develop to a high enough level to be able to see them.

I think of it as similar to my experience learning math. I thought Calculus was impenetrable until it clicked. Same thing with statistics and polynomial functions. So maybe with enough work, I could understand my life as something beyond my current comprehension. Maybe. It takes a degree of faith, but it’s a faith born from experience rather than an old collection of stories.

We can only do this if our bodies are operational. So if we exit, it’s entirely possible that to do so would be as regrettable then as my birth feels to me now. That said, my feelings on this issue are subject to fluctuations.

 

[Lara_C]

It takes a degree of faith, but it’s a faith born from experience rather than an old collection of stories.

We can only do this if our bodies are operational. So if we exit, it’s entirely possible that to do so would be as regrettable then as my birth feels to me now. That said, my feelings on this issue are subject to fluctuations.

Faith isn't easy and it is always challenged but I think this makes us grow more towards wholeness if we just keep going . Suicidal people want to escape suffering but like you I'm not sure it does lead to no more suffering. I also feel there's something we've not fully realized, which when we know it without any doubt, is the real answer to the pains of living.

My idea of hell is completing suicide but still being aware of the effect on those closest to me and being unable to communicate.