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What Is The New World Order?

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cinZamurai

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From where I am from its not a popularity contest or a pie casting one and what they are selling is the solution to issues and problems and who ever touch on the subjects that concerns the ppl the most at that time wins. They then do a half ass job and ppl elect another party as they get feed up with the results from the first. The nationalistic feelings are seen as something taboo and border to racism here by the general population. Its a little over the top I know but its true. Thats why so many get crazy when its football season, they finally get to express there nationally without someone looking on them funny.

All evidence seems to point to smaller and smaller countries not the other way around. last land I know that was stolen was Tibet by China but that was by force and Tibet diddent have any nukes to scare them off with or any strong allies holding there backs. All the collaboration between us is to safeguard from bullies that might try and take our countries from us. It is not to make super countries. Collaboration has the same kind of fear as nukes or embargo. it makes an aggressor think again about attacking a country. "Mess with me and my big bad friends will come to your house" or "Mess with me and me and my boys will never lend you playstation games, ever again" (embargo). So here we are on the same page , aggression is not an option when it comes to this kind of scope(world domination).

but also as charming a leader can be I have a really hard time to see any of the president candidates or future candidates charm China or any other nation to give up there land. Not for all the flowers and chocolate in the world. Not even on the brink of there peoples total destruction would they hand over there homeland.

Yes we have the idiocracy sneaking up on us but there is still forces among us like silent ripples on water, pushing the world to its senses. We just have to have some fate and be ready to recognize good from evil and right from wrong and then spread the positive and selfless ripples throe the ranks.

I still have fate for this world.
 
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OutCaste

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Aquariamethystea said:
Yeps. The video is really awesome with its detailed explanations of evidence. Although, even the video and its predecessor, speak against religion. I totally understand not believing in religion. I only have some beliefs about God, though I disagree with much of Christianity.
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I noticed that even though the videos have an Islamic overtone to them, there is a video on George Carlin (an outspoken critic of all religions) talking about the system. I guess their main intention is to make people acknowledge that there is something wrong, although they do advertise their religion.

Aquariamethystea said:
Do you have a theory about how the world's governments might unify into a one world government?
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Isn't America (or the ones pulling the strings from behind) already in control of many governments around the world ?
Same can be said about Russia and China. For all we know, these countries might be working in unison for the same purpose behind the scenes even though it seems that they are enemies.
 
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cinZamurai

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OutCaste said:
Isn't America (or the ones pulling the strings from behind) already in control of many governments around the world ?
Same can be said about Russia and China. For all we know, these countries might be working in unison for the same purpose behind the scenes even though it seems that they are enemies.
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This got me thinking of a book. The roughly same idea is expressed In 1984 by George Orwell. A world with total totalitarianism, all power split into three roughly equal groups- Eastasia, Eurasia, and Oceania. They wage war constantly but never totally destroys one another as they are codependent with a silent agreement.

There is a saying from Lord Acton:
"Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely."
This is why we will always have to kick our leaders out before they grow a too big head ;)


 
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HappyAZaClaM

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Let's put it in very simple terms. If alcohol were off-limits to Christians, why are we given wine on our First Communion and all ensuing Communions? This is from the Catholic point of view of course.

Also, I have no idea why none of the Catholics you know don't drink at all. If drinking is a sin, I belong in hell.
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nah, just go ta confession once a year. that orta cover it :biggrin:
 
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Aquariamethystea

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Eric said:
Let's put it in very simple terms. If alcohol were off-limits to Christians, why are we given wine on our First Communion and all ensuing Communions? This is from the Catholic point of view of course.

Also, I have no idea why none of the Catholics you know don't drink at all. If drinking is a sin, I belong in hell.
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I never said that drinking alcohol is a sin/off-limits. However, what perplexes me, is that any Christian, either Catholic or Protestant, would seek out alcohol as a form of enjoyment. Alcohol screws up the mind in a sinful way, causing one to become lustful, worldly, etc, opposite of what God is about. However, it seems that you, Eric, just want to have a debate with me about the Christian perspective regarding alcohol, while you ignore what I've stated many times. I am not a Christian, nor am I religious. I only have some Christian-like beliefs, most regarding the end times. If you want to argue with a Christian about alcohol, you ought to go into some churches and talk with ministers. While you're at it, you might as well bring a film crew with you. Turn it into a documentary. You could become a conservative version of Bill Maher. You seem to have a style of arguing while ignoring most of what people say, while capitalizing on your "edited" version of what they say. Hence, I never said that alcohol is off-limits, nor did I ever say that alcohol is a sin.
 
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Eric

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Aquariamethystea said:
I never said that drinking alcohol is a sin/off-limits. However, what perplexes me, is that any Christian, either Catholic or Protestant, would seek out alcohol as a form of enjoyment. Alcohol screws up the mind in a sinful way, causing one to become lustful, worldly, etc, opposite of what God is about. However, it seems that you, Eric, just want to have a debate with me about the Christian perspective regarding alcohol, while you ignore what I've stated many times. I am not a Christian, nor am I religious. I only have some Christian-like beliefs, most regarding the end times. If you want to argue with a Christian about alcohol, you ought to go into some churches and talk with ministers. While you're at it, you might as well bring a film crew with you. Turn it into a documentary. You could become a conservative version of Bill Maher. You seem to have a style of arguing while ignoring most of what people say, while capitalizing on your "edited" version of what they say. Hence, I never said that alcohol is off-limits, nor did I ever say that alcohol is a sin.
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Aquariamethystea said:
The pope must be very proud of you.
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Remind me again, then, why you seem to be implying that the Pope dislikes the use of drugs and alcohol, if you don't believe alcohol is a sin in first place.

I'm not here to debate the "sinfulness" of alcohol. I stepped in to clarify what the beliefs of the Roman Catholic Church are in regards to alcohol.

Disregarding the rest of your stuff? That's because I simply don't care about the crazy conspiracies you have on your mind. Notice my posts in this topic have either been personal opinions (as opposed to using facts to contradict your theories) or one particular belief of yours, the 9/11 conspiracy theory. When I'm actually debating, I debunk piece by piece of posts, I don't ignore anything unless I agree with it (which I state). I simply check this topic to read the amusing things you say!

"I've shown you 'facts' and you still don't believe." Well damn, I'm a misinformed sheep, I blame the water fluoridation ):
 
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Aquariamethystea

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Eric said:
Remind me again, then, why you seem to be implying that the Pope dislikes the use of drugs and alcohol, if you don't believe alcohol is a sin in first place.

I'm not here to debate the "sinfulness" of alcohol. I stepped in to clarify what the beliefs of the Roman Catholic Church are in regards to alcohol.

Disregarding the rest of your stuff? That's because I simply don't care about the crazy conspiracies you have on your mind. Notice my posts in this topic have either been personal opinions (as opposed to using facts to contradict your theories) or one particular belief of yours, the 9/11 conspiracy theory. When I'm actually debating, I debunk piece by piece of posts, I don't ignore anything unless I agree with it (which I state). I simply check this topic to read the amusing things you say!

"I've shown you 'facts' and you still don't believe." Well damn, I'm a misinformed sheep, I blame the water fluoridation ):
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So, do you really think that the pope likes alcohol and drugs? I'm sure that the pope has dislikes about things, other than what is sin.
 
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Aquariamethystea

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anonymous51 said:
That is his personal opinion though, it is not stated in the bible therfore it is not his right to decree wether people can take drugs or not.
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I agree. My mention of it originally was a statement toward Anastasia, which was not meant as a debate topic.
 
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Esmeralda

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Aquariamethystea said:
I apologize for my late response to you here, Anastasia. I didn't get online as early as I had planned.

Anyways, I'm not claiming that the pope is a child molester. However, by the claim which you made, relating pro-choice supporters to murderers, then by the same example, the pope is a child molester. He was in power for years (Pope John Paul 2nd), while priests were molesting children. He had to have known what was going on, just as how there is plenty of evidence which indicates that George W Bush had knowledge/involvement in the 9/11 issue. Power corrupts. Men are fallible. To believe that these "men", are innocent, is ignorant and stupid.
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No, pro-choice supporters think that it is every woman's right to have an abortion. I'm fairly certain that the Pope did not believe it was every priest's right to molest children. Nothing can be found that indicates that the Pope knew about widespread child molestation in the church. Not only that, but Pope John Paul 2's behavior throughout practically his entire life is above reproach.

Terrible analogy.
 
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Aquariamethystea

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Anastasia said:
No, pro-choice supporters think that it is every woman's right to have an abortion. I'm fairly certain that the Pope did not believe it was every priest's right to molest children. Nothing can be found that indicates that the Pope knew about widespread child molestation in the church. Not only that, but Pope John Paul 2's behavior throughout practically his entire life is above reproach.

Terrible analogy.
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You were comparing all pro-choice supporters to murderers, even though not every pro-choice supporter has an abortion, because you claim that they know that abortion is "murder", according to you. So, in the same regard, the pope knowing that so many priests molested children, without him stopping it much sooner, makes the pope guilty of something serious, more so than any pro-choice supporter is to abortion.
 
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egodrivenanimals

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You are talking about mind control... how come they couldn't control me? I have been drinking the same water, fed the same poisoned food... I was vaccinated gazillions of times without me knowing what's going on... how come I have not become brainwashed? You cannot blame it all on the food, sodium fluoride and vaccinations that would be just too comfortable... where does personal responsibility enter the picture? How come that a few people wanted to learn and read and they managed to get out of the sheep? You cannot blame it all on the government, the I-people, the pharmaceuticals, etc... that would be just toooooo comfortable.... i was born in a third-world country into a brainwashed family and I was the odd one out... they tried everything to change me, they punished me in all kinds of ways to bend me and shape me, and I did allow them to... so how come people who are more fortunate then I was still choose to be oppressed?

Don't blame it all on secret societies... it takes two to tango...
 
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Zurkhardo

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I think those NWO advocates among you underestimate the difficult of ruling a world as diverse, politically fragmented, and large as ours. The logistics alone is mind-boggling. And despite popular belief, institutions like the EU are far from an exmplar model of a unifying world. It's always had it's holdouts and nationalists; even as I speak, it's currently being divided by a growing number of 'Euroskeptics' seeking to undermine its authority. If Europe can't even keep it together - inspite of it's stability similar cultural and histoical ties - how could the same be done for the whole world?

And this leads to another rebuttal of mine: all of this is nothing more than speculation based upon circumstantial evidence. Many conspiracy theorists (I hope no one takes offense to the term) hold all their claims as self-evident, such as this one, yet there remains no solid proof beyond predictions and anectodes. It's hardly substantial.
 
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Brighid Moon

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Zurkhardo said:
And this leads to another rebuttal of mine: all of this is nothing more than speculation based upon circumstantial evidence. Many conspiracy theorists (I hope no one takes offense to the term) hold all their claims as self-evident, such as this one, yet there remains no solid proof beyond predictions and anectodes. It's hardly substantial.
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CIA Timeline

Operation Paperclip

Operation Mockingbird

Project Bluebird/Artichoke

Project MKUltra

1977 Senate Hearing MKUltra

Operation Chaos

So we're supposed to think that just because someone got busted doing wrong, that they suddenly just grew consciences and stopped? :rolleyes:

Project Eschelon

Science Technology and the CIA
 
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Zurkhardo

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I don't recall every making that suggestion in my argument, no.

So are we supposed to believe that because the CIA got busted doing wrong, that there's a global conspiracy ushering something as grandiose as a New World Order? I've studied many of these well-known operations in class and most of them were done in the context of the Cold War and gaining a strategic edge. If anything, all this exposure and public information - i.e. the fact that you can just throw all this out at me - proves that it's very difficult to keep even these relatively small-scale acts secret, much less something as huge and complex as world domination.

These sort of experiments and clandestine acts prove nothing, especially because none of them make any mention of an NWO. Once again it's all anecdotal, in that it makes it more probable for such a scheme, yes, but doesn't prove it. Besides, it takes a lot more than the CIA to control the entire world, especially if it can't keep its operations secret for longer than a couple of decades.
 
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Brighid Moon

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I suggest doing some deep research into the history of the CIA and its world-wide political involvements and manipulations, then spread that out to other organizations of the US government, then spread that out to other organizations in other countries in the world and how they are all interconnected. Then perhaps you may begin to see a pattern that I simply can not put down in only one paragraph.

tldr; study.
 
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