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Innocent Forever

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Soon people on my blog are gonna think this person has employed me to publicise her work :)

I'd love to hear how you relate to this. I definitely do. I'm really appreciating reading through her site.

https://www.eggshelltherapy.com/were-you-an-intense-child/

WERE YOU AN INTENSE CHILD?


People’s brains vary. Research has shown that some people are born with a neurological make up that can make them more emotionally or intellectually intense, sensitive, and more open to external stimuli than the general population.

They are more aware of subtleties; their brain processes information and reflects on it more deeply. At their best, they can be exceptionally perceptive, intuitive, and keenly observant of the subtleties of the environment. Yet they are also overwhelmed by the constant waves of social nuances and others’ emotional and psychic energies.

From the get-go, intense individuals’ way of seeing and being in the world is not shared by those around them. Since they think more and feel more, they also reach their limits much quicker. They are more easily affected by their surroundings and those around them, which may exacerbate the impact of any problematic events or lack in their early years.

The developmental differences for sensitive children become apparent before 18 months old. At a pre-verbal age, they can sense that the way they experience the world is different. They feel an omnipresent sense of feeling like a Martian visiting the Earth; and this feeling of lacking a ‘shared reality’ with those they depend on – their parents, older siblings or elders in the family– can be terribly unsettling.

Sadly, because of the lack of awareness and understanding both in the family and in the wider world, many intense children have grown up internalizing the belief that there is something wrong with them, or that they are somehow defective, too much’, or even ‘toxic.’


'I am different, not less'
- Temple Grandin


APPLES THAT HAVE FALLEN FAR FROM THE TREES


Unique challenges arise when an emotionally intense child is born into a family in which the parents or siblings do not function in the same way.

In his perennial work ‘Far from the Tree,’ Andrew Soloman addresses the differences between directly inherited (vertical) and independently divergent (horizontal) identity. Normally, most children share at least some traits with their family: Children of color are born to parents of color; People who speak Greek raise their children to speak Greek. These attributes and values are passed down from parent to child across the generations through DNA and cultural norms. However, children are not always a replica of their parents; they may carry throwback genes and recessive traits beyond anyone’s control. When someone acquires a trait that is foreign to the parent, it is referred to as ‘a horizontal identity.’ Horizontal identities may include being gay, having a physical disability, having autism, being intellectually or empathically gifted.

It can be excruciatingly difficult for any parents who are presented with children with ways of being and needs that are alien to them. A gay child being born to straight parents, for instance, raise a myriad of challenges when it comes to understanding and acceptance. Vertical identities are usually respected as identities; horizontal ones are treated as flaws. Any unconventional ways of being, including being extra emotionally intense and sensitive, are often disparaged as ‘illness’ to be fixed, rather than identities to be accepted.

Our culture plays a part in perpetuating this disconnect. There is something primitive in our tribal nature that makes human reject what we are not familiar with. Although our world as a whole has made huge progress in bridging the divide between class, gender, and race, awareness and respect for "neuro-divergent" traits such as emotional intensity have not broken through into public consciousness. As a society we continue to pathologize individuals who have different ways of thinking, feeling, relating to and being in the world. Under the influence of a culture that is inept at embracing diversity, some parents have come to perceive their child’s horizontal identity as not only a problem but even a personal failure or insult.

It takes extra resilience for families to learn to tolerate, accept, and finally celebrate children who are not what they initially had in mind. The fact that there is no “guide” to parenthood, especially when their child cannot be handled through conventional ways, leave a painful gap of disconnection between the parents and the child. “Parenthood abruptly catapults us into a permanent relationship with a stranger,” wrote Andrew Solomon, who conducted over 4000 interviews for his book. Families of emotionally intense children are presented with a fork in the road; They can reject or scapegoat their child for their strangeness, or they rise to the occasion and allow themselves to be profoundly changed by their experience.


"'Where are the people?' resumed the little prince at last. 'It’s a little lonely in the desert…'
'It is lonely when you’re among people, too,' said the snake.”

― Antoine de Saint-Exupéry, The Little Prince

UNIQUE CHALLENGES FACED BY THE INTENSE CHILD


If you have been emotionally sensitive and intense all your life, you will probably recognize some of these experiences as a child:


BEING OVERWHELMED

From birth, intense children have more permeable energetic boundaries. They hear faint sounds, detect subtle smells and notice the most subtle changes in their surroundings. They may find certain foods too flavourful, or can’t stand to wear certain fabrics.

They can experience other people’s emotions, noises and other environmental elements as coming onto and even inside of them, or that they merge with those they encounter. At home, they feel every shift and nuanced expressions of their parents’ moods and are swayed continuously by events that do not affect their sibling as much.

Intense children are incredibly conscientious. They always try to figure out the right course of actions and can be hard on themselves. For example, they tend to assume a lot of responsibilities in relationships. When conflicts arise, they quickly conclude that they have done something wrong, and become overwhelmed by self- criticism, and shame.

Being shaken continuously and pierced through by their intensity and events around them, these children may never find the mental space or support to develop emotional resilience. Even as adults, they can feel very unstable and ungrounded; and in the long run, many suffer from physical pain, stifled energy and fatigue.


FEELING EXISTENTIALLY ALONE

The intense child carries deep insights. They sense into the world’s pain, both in their immediate surrounding and in the wider world. They feel lonely to be the only one who knows what is going on beneath the social facade of normalcy and harmony; many also feel guilty for not being able to alleviate the pain and suffering they see.

On some level, they are more mature than their peers. With a psycho-spiritual age that is older than their actual one, these ‘old souls’ feel they never had a childhood. Gifted children, especially as they enter adolescence, find that the adults in charge are not worthy of their authority.

Although they appear independent, deep down these young souls carry a longing for someone that they can wholly lean on, relate to, so they can finally relax and be taken care of. As one child described it, they feel “like abandoned aliens waiting for the mother ship to come and take them home”(Webb, 2008).

The intense child’s creativity and intuition also give them a rich and deeply-reflective inner life not shared by those around them. They grapple with existential concerns such as life and death and the meaning of life and find themselves in an absurd and meaningless world that they can do little to alter. However, when they try to share their thoughts with others, they are usually met with puzzlement or even hostility. With no one to connect with them to the depth of their being, or recognize the fullness of who they are, they carry an unshakable sense of loneliness through into adulthood.



"Sometimes it seemed to him that his life was delicate as a dandelion. One little puff from any direction,and it was blown to bits."
― Katherine Paterson, Bridge to Terabithia
LOSING TRUST IN THEMSELVES AND OTHERS

Intense children are alert to the hypocrisies, sufferings, conflicts, and complexities of their surroundings, even before they can cognitively articulate or handle it.
The perceptively gifted child is perplexed by the contradiction between the emotional vibration they get from the adults and their surface expressions: They see through the masks of propriety, the forced smiles, or the white lies. This discrepancy causes the child to become distrustful. Seeing society's injustice and hypocrisy so early on also lead them to feel despair and cynicism.

If when they tried to share what they see, they are shut down, they may start to doubt their own judgment, intuition, even saneness. They may also feel guilty for having these foresight. When they cannot find anyone who understands their reality, they may decide to-even unconsciously- stifle their intuition and emotions, and become teenagers or adults that do not know what to believe, how to decide, or who to trust.


GETTING SCAPEGOATED

When combined with radical honesty, insightfulness can bring interpersonal challenges. The intense child feels compelled to point out what they know and are unwilling to play the game of social facade. Sadly, their truth-telling is often unwelcome in the world.

As the messengers of the inconvenient truth, they are blamed for creating discord. At best, they are a source of bewilderment but at worse, a source of ridicule. At home, they become the scapegoat. In school, they become the target of bullies or relegated to the outcasts on the fringe of schools' cliques.

Having to choose between their authenticity and other people’s acceptance is an overwhelming challenge for any young person. The intense child may grow up feeling incredibly self-conscious about their differences from others, to the extreme, some believe that they are somehow ’toxic’ or dangerous, and live with a constant fear of being cast out from their family or social circle.



"The Potters smiled and waved at Harry and he stared hungrily back at them, his hands pressed flat against the glass as though he was hoping to fall right through it and reach them. He had a powerful kind of ache inside of him, half joy, half terrible sadness."
— J.K. Rowling, Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone
SENSING THEY ARE 'TOO MUCH'

Intense children have intense needs. From a young age, they live with a pressure of their creativity and have a yearning for intellectually stimulating conversations, deep contemplation and answers to life’s meaning. Their inner life is pierced with moral concerns, strong convictions, idealism, perfectionism and forceful passions. However, without sufficient understanding from the adults around them, they might be misunderstood as being intentionally difficult. As a result, their natural needs for the adequate amount of stimulation and support may then be dismissed or deprived.

Even with the most supportive parents who validate their sensitivity and speed, many intense children have an awareness that they are somehow ‘too much’ for those around them. They may be explicitly criticised, or just implicitly rejected for wanting too much, moving too fast, being too naive, too serious, too easily rattled, or too impatient. Realising that their natural self can be overwhelming to others, they may decide to gradually shut down, to build a ‘false self,’ and to curb their excitability and enthusiasm.


And Max, the king of all wild things, was lonely and wanted to be where someone loved him best of all."
― Maurice Sendak, Where the Wild Things Are



EMBRACING THE INTENSE CHILD IN YOU



Your home might or might not have been a haven for your sensitive, intense and gifted young soul. (In the next letter, we will address some of the toxic family dynamics that passionate and empathic children often get locked into). Being different can be lonely, but the real suffering comes from having internalized the feeling that you, as a person, is fundamentally ‘not okay.’

If all your life you had felt like a Martian being exiled onto the earth, it might take some time to not only know but also feel in your heart that being intense is not an illness. Being intense comes with the most precious abilities and qualities. You have an extraordinary capacity to understand and empathize with others, as well as the ability to reflect on your feelings, intentions, and desires. Across history, intensity is often paired with other forms of exceptional talents in the areas of music, visual art, sports, and creativity. Your excitabilities are not only highly related to giftedness; they are gifts in themselves. It is up to you now, to provide a safe home for your inner child. This time, under your wings, they can have a nourishing, safe, and exciting childhood.


*
Your intense soul is wild and untamed.
No matter how much you try to shut it down, manipulate it, pretend that it doesn’t exist,
its spontaneous nature always breaks through.
Sometimes, your truth sneaks up on you
in the form of awe, love, wonder, and joy.
It is so compelling that you have no choice but to surrender to the ecstatic outpouring.
For that precious moment, you feel into your deepest nature, uninterrupted.

Own your wild, excitable, passionate soul.
That intense child inside of you is waiting to, at long last,
be heard, seen, and embrace for who they are.
*



“You are a marvel. You are unique. In all the years that have passed, there has never been another child like you. Your legs, your arms, your clever fingers, the way you move. You may become a Shakespeare, a Michelangelo, a Beethoven. You have the capacity for anything.”
– Henry David Thoreau
 

Aurelia

🔥 A Fire Inside 🔥
SF Supporter
Soon people on my blog are gonna think this person has employed me to publicise her work :)

I'd love to hear how you relate to this. I definitely do. I'm really appreciating reading through her site.

https://www.eggshelltherapy.com/were-you-an-intense-child/

WERE YOU AN INTENSE CHILD?


People’s brains vary. Research has shown that some people are born with a neurological make up that can make them more emotionally or intellectually intense, sensitive, and more open to external stimuli than the general population.

They are more aware of subtleties; their brain processes information and reflects on it more deeply. At their best, they can be exceptionally perceptive, intuitive, and keenly observant of the subtleties of the environment. Yet they are also overwhelmed by the constant waves of social nuances and others’ emotional and psychic energies.

From the get-go, intense individuals’ way of seeing and being in the world is not shared by those around them. Since they think more and feel more, they also reach their limits much quicker. They are more easily affected by their surroundings and those around them, which may exacerbate the impact of any problematic events or lack in their early years.

The developmental differences for sensitive children become apparent before 18 months old. At a pre-verbal age, they can sense that the way they experience the world is different. They feel an omnipresent sense of feeling like a Martian visiting the Earth; and this feeling of lacking a ‘shared reality’ with those they depend on – their parents, older siblings or elders in the family– can be terribly unsettling.

Sadly, because of the lack of awareness and understanding both in the family and in the wider world, many intense children have grown up internalizing the belief that there is something wrong with them, or that they are somehow defective, too much’, or even ‘toxic.’


'I am different, not less'
- Temple Grandin


APPLES THAT HAVE FALLEN FAR FROM THE TREES


Unique challenges arise when an emotionally intense child is born into a family in which the parents or siblings do not function in the same way.

In his perennial work ‘Far from the Tree,’ Andrew Soloman addresses the differences between directly inherited (vertical) and independently divergent (horizontal) identity. Normally, most children share at least some traits with their family: Children of color are born to parents of color; People who speak Greek raise their children to speak Greek. These attributes and values are passed down from parent to child across the generations through DNA and cultural norms. However, children are not always a replica of their parents; they may carry throwback genes and recessive traits beyond anyone’s control. When someone acquires a trait that is foreign to the parent, it is referred to as ‘a horizontal identity.’ Horizontal identities may include being gay, having a physical disability, having autism, being intellectually or empathically gifted.

It can be excruciatingly difficult for any parents who are presented with children with ways of being and needs that are alien to them. A gay child being born to straight parents, for instance, raise a myriad of challenges when it comes to understanding and acceptance. Vertical identities are usually respected as identities; horizontal ones are treated as flaws. Any unconventional ways of being, including being extra emotionally intense and sensitive, are often disparaged as ‘illness’ to be fixed, rather than identities to be accepted.

Our culture plays a part in perpetuating this disconnect. There is something primitive in our tribal nature that makes human reject what we are not familiar with. Although our world as a whole has made huge progress in bridging the divide between class, gender, and race, awareness and respect for "neuro-divergent" traits such as emotional intensity have not broken through into public consciousness. As a society we continue to pathologize individuals who have different ways of thinking, feeling, relating to and being in the world. Under the influence of a culture that is inept at embracing diversity, some parents have come to perceive their child’s horizontal identity as not only a problem but even a personal failure or insult.

It takes extra resilience for families to learn to tolerate, accept, and finally celebrate children who are not what they initially had in mind. The fact that there is no “guide” to parenthood, especially when their child cannot be handled through conventional ways, leave a painful gap of disconnection between the parents and the child. “Parenthood abruptly catapults us into a permanent relationship with a stranger,” wrote Andrew Solomon, who conducted over 4000 interviews for his book. Families of emotionally intense children are presented with a fork in the road; They can reject or scapegoat their child for their strangeness, or they rise to the occasion and allow themselves to be profoundly changed by their experience.


"'Where are the people?' resumed the little prince at last. 'It’s a little lonely in the desert…'
'It is lonely when you’re among people, too,' said the snake.”

― Antoine de Saint-Exupéry, The Little Prince

UNIQUE CHALLENGES FACED BY THE INTENSE CHILD


If you have been emotionally sensitive and intense all your life, you will probably recognize some of these experiences as a child:


BEING OVERWHELMED

From birth, intense children have more permeable energetic boundaries. They hear faint sounds, detect subtle smells and notice the most subtle changes in their surroundings. They may find certain foods too flavourful, or can’t stand to wear certain fabrics.

They can experience other people’s emotions, noises and other environmental elements as coming onto and even inside of them, or that they merge with those they encounter. At home, they feel every shift and nuanced expressions of their parents’ moods and are swayed continuously by events that do not affect their sibling as much.

Intense children are incredibly conscientious. They always try to figure out the right course of actions and can be hard on themselves. For example, they tend to assume a lot of responsibilities in relationships. When conflicts arise, they quickly conclude that they have done something wrong, and become overwhelmed by self- criticism, and shame.

Being shaken continuously and pierced through by their intensity and events around them, these children may never find the mental space or support to develop emotional resilience. Even as adults, they can feel very unstable and ungrounded; and in the long run, many suffer from physical pain, stifled energy and fatigue.


FEELING EXISTENTIALLY ALONE

The intense child carries deep insights. They sense into the world’s pain, both in their immediate surrounding and in the wider world. They feel lonely to be the only one who knows what is going on beneath the social facade of normalcy and harmony; many also feel guilty for not being able to alleviate the pain and suffering they see.

On some level, they are more mature than their peers. With a psycho-spiritual age that is older than their actual one, these ‘old souls’ feel they never had a childhood. Gifted children, especially as they enter adolescence, find that the adults in charge are not worthy of their authority.

Although they appear independent, deep down these young souls carry a longing for someone that they can wholly lean on, relate to, so they can finally relax and be taken care of. As one child described it, they feel “like abandoned aliens waiting for the mother ship to come and take them home”(Webb, 2008).

The intense child’s creativity and intuition also give them a rich and deeply-reflective inner life not shared by those around them. They grapple with existential concerns such as life and death and the meaning of life and find themselves in an absurd and meaningless world that they can do little to alter. However, when they try to share their thoughts with others, they are usually met with puzzlement or even hostility. With no one to connect with them to the depth of their being, or recognize the fullness of who they are, they carry an unshakable sense of loneliness through into adulthood.



"Sometimes it seemed to him that his life was delicate as a dandelion. One little puff from any direction,and it was blown to bits."
― Katherine Paterson, Bridge to Terabithia
LOSING TRUST IN THEMSELVES AND OTHERS

Intense children are alert to the hypocrisies, sufferings, conflicts, and complexities of their surroundings, even before they can cognitively articulate or handle it.
The perceptively gifted child is perplexed by the contradiction between the emotional vibration they get from the adults and their surface expressions: They see through the masks of propriety, the forced smiles, or the white lies. This discrepancy causes the child to become distrustful. Seeing society's injustice and hypocrisy so early on also lead them to feel despair and cynicism.

If when they tried to share what they see, they are shut down, they may start to doubt their own judgment, intuition, even saneness. They may also feel guilty for having these foresight. When they cannot find anyone who understands their reality, they may decide to-even unconsciously- stifle their intuition and emotions, and become teenagers or adults that do not know what to believe, how to decide, or who to trust.


GETTING SCAPEGOATED

When combined with radical honesty, insightfulness can bring interpersonal challenges. The intense child feels compelled to point out what they know and are unwilling to play the game of social facade. Sadly, their truth-telling is often unwelcome in the world.

As the messengers of the inconvenient truth, they are blamed for creating discord. At best, they are a source of bewilderment but at worse, a source of ridicule. At home, they become the scapegoat. In school, they become the target of bullies or relegated to the outcasts on the fringe of schools' cliques.

Having to choose between their authenticity and other people’s acceptance is an overwhelming challenge for any young person. The intense child may grow up feeling incredibly self-conscious about their differences from others, to the extreme, some believe that they are somehow ’toxic’ or dangerous, and live with a constant fear of being cast out from their family or social circle.



"The Potters smiled and waved at Harry and he stared hungrily back at them, his hands pressed flat against the glass as though he was hoping to fall right through it and reach them. He had a powerful kind of ache inside of him, half joy, half terrible sadness."
— J.K. Rowling, Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone
SENSING THEY ARE 'TOO MUCH'

Intense children have intense needs. From a young age, they live with a pressure of their creativity and have a yearning for intellectually stimulating conversations, deep contemplation and answers to life’s meaning. Their inner life is pierced with moral concerns, strong convictions, idealism, perfectionism and forceful passions. However, without sufficient understanding from the adults around them, they might be misunderstood as being intentionally difficult. As a result, their natural needs for the adequate amount of stimulation and support may then be dismissed or deprived.

Even with the most supportive parents who validate their sensitivity and speed, many intense children have an awareness that they are somehow ‘too much’ for those around them. They may be explicitly criticised, or just implicitly rejected for wanting too much, moving too fast, being too naive, too serious, too easily rattled, or too impatient. Realising that their natural self can be overwhelming to others, they may decide to gradually shut down, to build a ‘false self,’ and to curb their excitability and enthusiasm.


And Max, the king of all wild things, was lonely and wanted to be where someone loved him best of all."
― Maurice Sendak, Where the Wild Things Are



EMBRACING THE INTENSE CHILD IN YOU



Your home might or might not have been a haven for your sensitive, intense and gifted young soul. (In the next letter, we will address some of the toxic family dynamics that passionate and empathic children often get locked into). Being different can be lonely, but the real suffering comes from having internalized the feeling that you, as a person, is fundamentally ‘not okay.’

If all your life you had felt like a Martian being exiled onto the earth, it might take some time to not only know but also feel in your heart that being intense is not an illness. Being intense comes with the most precious abilities and qualities. You have an extraordinary capacity to understand and empathize with others, as well as the ability to reflect on your feelings, intentions, and desires. Across history, intensity is often paired with other forms of exceptional talents in the areas of music, visual art, sports, and creativity. Your excitabilities are not only highly related to giftedness; they are gifts in themselves. It is up to you now, to provide a safe home for your inner child. This time, under your wings, they can have a nourishing, safe, and exciting childhood.


*
Your intense soul is wild and untamed.
No matter how much you try to shut it down, manipulate it, pretend that it doesn’t exist,
its spontaneous nature always breaks through.
Sometimes, your truth sneaks up on you
in the form of awe, love, wonder, and joy.
It is so compelling that you have no choice but to surrender to the ecstatic outpouring.
For that precious moment, you feel into your deepest nature, uninterrupted.

Own your wild, excitable, passionate soul.
That intense child inside of you is waiting to, at long last,
be heard, seen, and embrace for who they are.
*



“You are a marvel. You are unique. In all the years that have passed, there has never been another child like you. Your legs, your arms, your clever fingers, the way you move. You may become a Shakespeare, a Michelangelo, a Beethoven. You have the capacity for anything.”
– Henry David Thoreau
Admittedly, I didn't read the whole thing, but I skimmed through it. I don't really know if I would have qualified as an "intense child". For the most part, I think I was relatively calm. I did have separation anxiety, which led to abandonment issues in adulthood. And I was definitely socially anxious and relatively quiet and shy. So I guess one could certainly say I was sensitive, but I don't know if intense would be the right word to describe me at that point. But aside from that, I didn't really have too many other BPD symptoms that I can recall. I think most of those started coming out a lot more in my late teens.
 

memyselfand1

University Student
These so called therapies, really ? What world are we on? These therapies are great for those who feel a bit sad or their problem is simple...mild, easy... but in order for the therapy to be successful it needs to be long term getting to know the individual and not a six week course once a week with someone whose just come a few days of cbt training and local adult community centre...
Psychologists study the human mind, the human brain that drives behaviour ... and no amount of cbt and changing thoughts, feelings and behaviours is gonna help someone with BPD, it’s too ingrained ...deep...
Cbt etc is like trying to get anorexic, bulimic, to change their thoughts and feelings and hoping they will eat that biscuit or like expecting someone with OCD to stop hand washing
It makes out the person is dumb or thry just change faulty thinking habits, when in fact they’ve done the behaviour for such a long time that they don’t think about it and neither are people thinking about why it started ...
 

Innocent Forever

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I think this probably comes under BPD and I'm wondering if anyone experiences this... I wrote more in my journal but basically,

Do you ever feel anything (be it physically in your body like shaking, constriction, or feeling mad, or wanting to use) really strongly and then a moment later, or a few moments later, it just isn't there. So for me that would mean the other day it was constriction, and then when I was writing, my body was just relaxed a few minutes later. Or I came across a text I wrote 2 years ago that I was mad and a moment later wasn't.
 

Sunspots

To Wish Impossible Things
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Sounds like what happens to me sometimes too so could possibly be a BPD trait. My emotions can change at the drop of a hat so yeah, I guess..

As regards to CBT, no it's not going to cure BPD. I've never done it as I got turned down from it as my needs were deemed 'too complex' for them. I've often thought about having a go at one of the online CBT courses but I really am better face to face with stuff like this. But I guess it's aim as regards to BPD would be to help with some of the exaggerated responses we have to certain situations. Also with self harm which is a skewed thought pattern just like anorexia or bulimia. I'd imagine it could help with many of the traits that people with BPD can show. Certainly not all but if it can help with just one it's worth persevering with..
 

Aurelia

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I've realized recently that when I think of CBT, I think of only the most basic principles of it. Worksheets that have you turning negative statements into positive ones or that have things like: the activating event, your feelings about it and what you did, what you could have done instead. That type of shit, no. Of course, it won't do a damn thing. But I've come to find that there are actually many forms of CBT. REBT is even a form of CBT apparently, and in my opinion, it's one of the best therapies out there for any issue. So CBT can be helpful, I suppose, as it's basically any type of therapy that helps you change the way you think and behave. It just depends on the type of CBT.

But yes, there have been many times where my mood changed from one extreme to another in about 2 seconds.
 

Innocent Forever

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I think I don't just mean changing moods @Sunspots and @AsphyxiateOnWords though that too. I can just switch modes really easily. Constantly too. What I'm referring to here is that it just isn't there. I think the example that might be clearest is wanting to use. So I'll think I want to use. I'll be desperate to use. And as soon as I start writing it, I'll realise I don't even want to. And I'll wonder - did I want to use, or did I just decide I wanted to want to. And when I write it and it just isn't so I'll wonder - do I really want to, or am I just saying that I want to for um, not sure what for (for it'll be in my journal, not usually online, usually my own journal). I think it's that I'm not staying with what is. Actually it's helpful for me to write this as I think that's it. About not staying with what is.

I've no clue if that's anything to do with BPD or not. And I'm wondering if you've or anyone has experienced it before. It's like no wonder I wrote in those messages that I feel like I'm crazy. Don't know if this makes it clearer or not.
 

Sunspots

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Yeah it makes sense. I'm like this with smoking now that I've given up. It can be so intense but in an instant it can disappear.

Not sure if it's a BPD thing or just a normal reaction.
 

Aurelia

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I think I don't just mean changing moods @Sunspots and @AsphyxiateOnWords though that too. I can just switch modes really easily. Constantly too. What I'm referring to here is that it just isn't there. I think the example that might be clearest is wanting to use. So I'll think I want to use. I'll be desperate to use. And as soon as I start writing it, I'll realise I don't even want to. And I'll wonder - did I want to use, or did I just decide I wanted to want to. And when I write it and it just isn't so I'll wonder - do I really want to, or am I just saying that I want to for um, not sure what for (for it'll be in my journal, not usually online, usually my own journal). I think it's that I'm not staying with what is. Actually it's helpful for me to write this as I think that's it. About not staying with what is.

I've no clue if that's anything to do with BPD or not. And I'm wondering if you've or anyone has experienced it before. It's like no wonder I wrote in those messages that I feel like I'm crazy. Don't know if this makes it clearer or not.
So by modes, do you mean decisions then? Like, you'll decide you want something, not just drugs necessarily, and then not want it anymore a minute later? If so, then that happens to me too. Something as simple as coffee at times sounds really good, and then I think about it for a minute and I'm like, ehh...nevermind. Sometimes I think I just end up wanting certain things because I'm bored and/or restless, but then it doesn't even seem all that appealing when I really think about it. It's more so that I'm wanting 'something' because something feels like it's missing and I'm often not sure what that is.
 

Innocent Forever

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So by modes, do you mean decisions then? Like, you'll decide you want something, not just drugs necessarily, and then not want it anymore a minute later?
By modes that is what I mean. That I can switch modes instantly.

What I was trying to say though, what I'm referring to here is more about switching off, constantly. So that whatever is, a moment later isn't. Or maybe only when engage with it, it isn't. (Which just leaves me always wondering what is or isn't real.) I feel like I wrote this all already. I don't think I have the way to put it into words better than I have so gonna leave it for now.
 
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I thought you may have meant decisions because the example you used were decisions. But okay, let's go with modes then, meaning it could be anything from what you've experienced, what you're expressing, and what you're deciding, yes? As far as experience changing goes, does your perception of the experience change or the experience itself, in your mind? But regarding the way you express yourself and decision-making, like I already said, that could definitely be BPD related.
 

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I'm not sure what you mean by experience changing.
Flipping modes, means I can be in silent mode, happy mode, want to use mode, loads of energy mode, etc, and just flip instantly from one to another. But that I'm used to, and yeah I think it's BPD kinda style.

The example I used about decisions. What I was trying to express is the cutting off. Not just the switching modes or things passing, but the switching off from something. The something usually being negative, I actually wonder if it'd happen with the positive too. I was wondering if that cutting off is something anyone else experiences. And/or if it's anything to do with BPD. I think I've explained the cutting off from something. It's that something is, but then it just isn't. As I said not because it's passed and not because of changing modes. The changing modes or passing just is, and doesn't leave me exhausted. Cutting off actually exhausts me somehow. It'd usually be something physical - experiencing whatever I'm experiencing physically and then cutting off from it. But that's because I'm not really aware of my feelings. Occasionally it'll be from something I really want - as soon as I tune into the needing or wanting to mess up, it just won't be there. I'm not sure if this is any clearer than anything I've said till now.
 

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I'm not sure what you mean by experience changing.
Flipping modes, means I can be in silent mode, happy mode, want to use mode, loads of energy mode, etc, and just flip instantly from one to another. But that I'm used to, and yeah I think it's BPD kinda style.

The example I used about decisions. What I was trying to express is the cutting off. Not just the switching modes or things passing, but the switching off from something. The something usually being negative, I actually wonder if it'd happen with the positive too. I was wondering if that cutting off is something anyone else experiences. And/or if it's anything to do with BPD. I think I've explained the cutting off from something. It's that something is, but then it just isn't. As I said not because it's passed and not because of changing modes. The changing modes or passing just is, and doesn't leave me exhausted. Cutting off actually exhausts me somehow. It'd usually be something physical - experiencing whatever I'm experiencing physically and then cutting off from it. But that's because I'm not really aware of my feelings. Occasionally it'll be from something I really want - as soon as I tune into the needing or wanting to mess up, it just won't be there. I'm not sure if this is any clearer than anything I've said till now.
What I was asking was whether you thought the experience itself changed or just how you were perceiving or interpreting the experience. I saw you use the example of physical pain in your diary. If something feels like it physically hurts and then doesn't, that's an experience. Well, 2 different experiences, actually. The question is, however, do you just stop paying attention to the pain and focus elsewhere, and that's why you don't notice it hurting anymore or does it seem as though it actually did hurt but then simply didn't out of nowhere, without you doing anything that you're aware of.

Words like "switching/cutting off" can be difficult to interpret sometimes. In a way, what you described sounds sort of like dissociation, but that's only if you're tuning away, (usually from something negative) so much so that you are no longer aware of the original thing anymore, into something else.

Dissociation can be part of BPD too, but not necessarily. And you don't have to keep explaining yourself further by the way if you don't want to or it feels exhausting.
 

ShatteredMind

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this is me ...been hiding it from myself for many years only in the last few years i have accepted i have bpd
other family members have it as well i think but none of them have been diagnosed
 

Aurelia

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this is me ...been hiding it from myself for many years only in the last few years i have accepted i have bpd
other family members have it as well i think but none of them have been diagnosed
There are quite a few of us on here who suffer from this disorder, both diagnosed and undiagnosed, and are always willing to talk if you need it.
 

ShatteredMind

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thank you
i feel like this illness is like some sort of illness that no one wants and everyone who have it hide it from everyone hoping that no one finds out and when it is your shunned eg made to feel like your nothing
 

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I saw in my charts I was diagnosed with this disorder. No one talked to me about it.

Given my behavior lately, I feel out of control with my anger. I feel like this might be a better fit than my other diagnosis (major depressive disorder).

Can I have both mental health disorders?

I also have PTSD.
 

Yujin

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I saw in my charts I was diagnosed with this disorder. No one talked to me about it.

Given my behavior lately, I feel out of control with my anger. I feel like this might be a better fit than my other diagnosis (major depressive disorder).

Can I have both mental health disorders?

I also have PTSD.
Hi Moxman :)

Yes, people with BPD are often also diagnosed with other disorders like major depression or PTSD.

It's possible that someone presents with symptoms of major depression, but the long-term, underlying problem is BPD. In that case the BPD diagnosis is useful because it allows the patient to start addressing some of the deep-seated personality issues associated with BPD. If someone like that was only being treated for the depression or the PTSD without addressing the BPD the treatment might not be very effective.

BPD may or not be the correct diagnosis for you, but you say that it seems like a "better fit" so I'd definitely suggest talking with your doctor about it and also learning more about BPD yourself.
 

moxman

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I saw in my charts I was diagnosed with this disorder. No one talked to me about it.

Given my behavior lately, I feel out of control with my anger. I feel like this might be a better fit than my other diagnosis (major depressive disorder).

Can I have both mental health disorders?

I also have PTSD.
Hi Moxman :)

Yes, people with BPD are often also diagnosed with other disorders like major depression or PTSD.

It's possible that someone presents with symptoms of major depression, but the long-term, underlying problem is BPD. In that case the BPD diagnosis is useful because it allows the patient to start addressing some of the deep-seated personality issues associated with BPD. If someone like that was only being treated for the depression or the PTSD without addressing the BPD the treatment might not be very effective.

BPD may or not be the correct diagnosis for you, but you say that it seems like a "better fit" so I'd definitely suggest talking with your doctor about it and also learning more about BPD yourself.
Hello

Thank you for your kind words.

I see my counselor tomorrow, I will add this to the list to discuss it with her.

I am frustrated that I was diagnosed with this condition and no one ever discussed it with me.
 

Innocent Forever

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Hello

Thank you for your kind words.

I see my counselor tomorrow, I will add this to the list to discuss it with her.

I am frustrated that I was diagnosed with this condition and no one ever discussed it with me.
That's definitely frustrating. And wrong. Really, read up on it and see for yourself what you do/don't relate to.
thank you
i feel like this illness is like some sort of illness that no one wants and everyone who have it hide it from everyone hoping that no one finds out and when it is your shunned eg made to feel like your nothing
It used to be very much this way, I think it's changing a bit.
 

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