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One of the reason I love the soap box forum is that you can truly voice your opinion...within reason of course.
A Soap Box is for voicing opinions, not for attacking or flame wars
Forgotten man....a while back I wrote a piece in here about parental responisbilities..you might find it interesting.....
It seems like alot of your views come from how your parents treated you, and I am sorry for that.
I know that I was afraid to have children due to the way I was raised and for the lack of parenting. I vowed, that I would do everything the opposite of the way that I was raised.
Mia I agree with you that children should be given tasks to teach responsibilities.
Myself, I am a single parent not by choice but thats the way it is so I am going to deal with it, but it has meant that I have to do things a little but differently if I am going to be able to do all the things that they want to do. My son is in a drum corps and they have practice 3 days a week, I take my son one day a week and my daughter takes him 2x a week, i pick him up everyday..this is the only way..she is given free time, but I think helping with her little brother is teaching her something too
I think this is a touchy subject, with alot of different views...lets be careful on how we talk to each other. thanks ari
A Soap Box is for voicing opinions, not for attacking or flame wars
Forgotten man....a while back I wrote a piece in here about parental responisbilities..you might find it interesting.....
It seems like alot of your views come from how your parents treated you, and I am sorry for that.
I know that I was afraid to have children due to the way I was raised and for the lack of parenting. I vowed, that I would do everything the opposite of the way that I was raised.
Mia I agree with you that children should be given tasks to teach responsibilities.
Myself, I am a single parent not by choice but thats the way it is so I am going to deal with it, but it has meant that I have to do things a little but differently if I am going to be able to do all the things that they want to do. My son is in a drum corps and they have practice 3 days a week, I take my son one day a week and my daughter takes him 2x a week, i pick him up everyday..this is the only way..she is given free time, but I think helping with her little brother is teaching her something too
I think this is a touchy subject, with alot of different views...lets be careful on how we talk to each other. thanks ari
ari said:
One of the reason I love the soap box forum is that you can truly voice your opinion...within reason of course.
A Soap Box is for voicing opinions, not for attacking or flame wars
Forgotten man....a while back I wrote a piece in here about parental responisbilities..you might find it interesting.....
It seems like alot of your views come from how your parents treated you, and I am sorry for that.
I know that I was afraid to have children due to the way I was raised and for the lack of parenting. I vowed, that I would do everything the opposite of the way that I was raised.
Mia I agree with you that children should be given tasks to teach responsibilities.
Myself, I am a single parent not by choice but thats the way it is so I am going to deal with it, but it has meant that I have to do things a little but differently if I am going to be able to do all the things that they want to do. My son is in a drum corps and they have practice 3 days a week, I take my son one day a week and my daughter takes him 2x a week, i pick him up everyday..this is the only way..she is given free time, but I think helping with her little brother is teaching her something too
I think this is a touchy subject, with alot of different views...lets be careful on how we talk to each other. thanks ari
A Soap Box is for voicing opinions, not for attacking or flame wars
Forgotten man....a while back I wrote a piece in here about parental responisbilities..you might find it interesting.....
It seems like alot of your views come from how your parents treated you, and I am sorry for that.
I know that I was afraid to have children due to the way I was raised and for the lack of parenting. I vowed, that I would do everything the opposite of the way that I was raised.
Mia I agree with you that children should be given tasks to teach responsibilities.
Myself, I am a single parent not by choice but thats the way it is so I am going to deal with it, but it has meant that I have to do things a little but differently if I am going to be able to do all the things that they want to do. My son is in a drum corps and they have practice 3 days a week, I take my son one day a week and my daughter takes him 2x a week, i pick him up everyday..this is the only way..she is given free time, but I think helping with her little brother is teaching her something too
I think this is a touchy subject, with alot of different views...lets be careful on how we talk to each other. thanks ari
And I don't want kids because of the burden they bring. I don't care what you say children are a burden ESPECIALLY to single parents. I don't want the burden they bring nor do I want to be responsible for them HELL I am barely responsible for myself. I will admit I have other little reasons that I don't want kids. But I don't want to waste my money on another life just because the world guilt trips me into believeing I need one.
But of course you judege me you go OH look he is 21 so young so naive.... it is ok but when I am older and don't have any you will be naive ones.
Forgotten_Man, it is entirely your right not to have children and not to want anything to do with them. Your life, your genes, your desicion. No-one here is saying you have to like kids. But there are also a lot of people who do want children. Who's children are, rightly or wrongly, their reason for living and the most important things in thier life. You have to repect that. Just as your desicion not to have children is repected. And before you say they aren't, just think about it. No-one has said that you are wrong, no-one has said you must have children. All people have asked you for in this thread is for you to respect our desicion to have children. You don't want children because you feel they would be a burden to you, that's fine. But some people want that burden, and they have the right to make that desicion. Just please try to repect that. No-one is telling you to have children, your views are just as important as anyone else's. So please stop telling others they must not want children. Just as your views on children wont be changed, neither will mine or the others who want children. A debate about whether it's wise to have children at a certain age or if you're in a certain situation or how they should be raised etc would be fascinating. But to have a debate you have to let others have their views, and at the moment you are just arguing. Sit back and be calm for a minute before replying, no-one is attacking you, honestly.
As for the dark jokes about children, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and trust that you weren't being serious. But I'm sorry, you can't continue to make comments like that. Many people here were hurt when they were children, many have had their children hurt, many have lost a child. And good parents are very protective of their kids. It's not something that the majority of people here can laugh about, it's just too close to the bone. So please keep in mind that you might be hurting a lot of people with your comments insulting children.
Thank you
Mal
As for the dark jokes about children, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and trust that you weren't being serious. But I'm sorry, you can't continue to make comments like that. Many people here were hurt when they were children, many have had their children hurt, many have lost a child. And good parents are very protective of their kids. It's not something that the majority of people here can laugh about, it's just too close to the bone. So please keep in mind that you might be hurting a lot of people with your comments insulting children.
Thank you
Mal
Hi everyone
I just want to throw my 2 cents in (or watever they say) about the "cheap labour thing" personally i dont see why everyone is goin so mad about it. Forgotten_man just made a throw off joke. He wasnt being serious and he wasnt encouraging the use of children in any "cheap labour" way. It was just a JOKE. Ok some of u may not find it funny (i myself did smile at this comment) but i dont think you should all have a go at him. It was a joke...wats wrong wid that?!
Take care
L1
I just want to throw my 2 cents in (or watever they say) about the "cheap labour thing" personally i dont see why everyone is goin so mad about it. Forgotten_man just made a throw off joke. He wasnt being serious and he wasnt encouraging the use of children in any "cheap labour" way. It was just a JOKE. Ok some of u may not find it funny (i myself did smile at this comment) but i dont think you should all have a go at him. It was a joke...wats wrong wid that?!
Take care
L1
Thing is though lonely, it's not just a matter of not finding it funny. It's a joke that many people not only find offensive but upsetting too. Upsetting for reasons that may be the cause of the problems that led them to this site in the first place. Maybe that's an over reaction, I know I'm very emotional around the subject of children. But people's feelings need to be taken into account, especially on a site like this. Yeah it was just a joke, and I hope the issue it has caused can now be moved on from. All I'm asking is that everyone please try to think how their words will effect others before they post. I hope no-one feels they're being got at in this thread, but if they do they have every right to say so and we can hopefully resolve it.
I understand completely that there are alot of people here with very sensitive problems and we all need to b aware of that wen we r talking. However it can go over the top. Anything and everything we discuss could b sensitive to *someone* so does that mean we avoid ever expressing an opinion? Alot of very sensitive things are discussed on this forum (SH, Abuse, suicide etc) and that is simply because of the nature of this forum. In the end Forgotten_man didnt mean any offence by his comment, it was just an off hand comment. Also he wrote it in the section especially made for ppl to express their opinions. So i cannot see why people are reacting so badly to it. We cant just not voice opinions in case sum1 gets offended. If we did that this forum could not exist.
L1
L1
Alright. I find cracking a joke at something that is abusive very funny. just like i enjoy hearing parents tear kids apart like my mother did to me. I find that imensely amusing. A joke that comes out of anger and is meant as a way to express something that is opposite is one thing. It's a way to let things out. But I wouldn't find it funny. I would find it sad.
Mia
Edited to add: And many here know I have a big sense of humor.
Mia
Edited to add: And many here know I have a big sense of humor.
Z
Personally, I HATE children. They are annoying, burdensome and a pain in the arse. I can say this because I dont have children. But someday I will adopt a child, because there are many unfortunates who have been abandoned and are unloved, and it is purposeless to bring another child into this world when there are millions without homes. Until that day comes, I believe children are a burden. If I was to have a child, I would dedicate my life to him/her because responbility does not come from being compassionate, but from being a parent. Its a contradiction in terms I know but until that day comes, I stand by Forgotten_Man in his/her/it's views.
Welcome to the Human Condition
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Welcome to the Human Condition
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Malcontent said:
Forgotten_Man, it is entirely your right not to have children and not to want anything to do with them. Your life, your genes, your desicion. No-one here is saying you have to like kids. But there are also a lot of people who do want children. Who's children are, rightly or wrongly, their reason for living and the most important things in thier life. You have to repect that. Just as your desicion not to have children is repected. And before you say they aren't, just think about it. No-one has said that you are wrong, no-one has said you must have children. All people have asked you for in this thread is for you to respect our desicion to have children. You don't want children because you feel they would be a burden to you, that's fine. But some people want that burden, and they have the right to make that desicion. Just please try to repect that. No-one is telling you to have children, your views are just as important as anyone else's. So please stop telling others they must not want children. Just as your views on children wont be changed, neither will mine or the others who want children. A debate about whether it's wise to have children at a certain age or if you're in a certain situation or how they should be raised etc would be fascinating. But to have a debate you have to let others have their views, and at the moment you are just arguing. Sit back and be calm for a minute before replying, no-one is attacking you, honestly.
As for the dark jokes about children, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and trust that you weren't being serious. But I'm sorry, you can't continue to make comments like that. Many people here were hurt when they were children, many have had their children hurt, many have lost a child. And good parents are very protective of their kids. It's not something that the majority of people here can laugh about, it's just too close to the bone. So please keep in mind that you might be hurting a lot of people with your comments insulting children.
Thank you
Mal
As for the dark jokes about children, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and trust that you weren't being serious. But I'm sorry, you can't continue to make comments like that. Many people here were hurt when they were children, many have had their children hurt, many have lost a child. And good parents are very protective of their kids. It's not something that the majority of people here can laugh about, it's just too close to the bone. So please keep in mind that you might be hurting a lot of people with your comments insulting children.
Thank you
Mal
As for the joke, dark humor is my thing. And I will say it if I think it is funny. You have NO idea how many parents I have told that joke to and gotten a laugh out of. I figured that people could see that it was a joke, but with the lack of body language it is a problem sometimes.
Lonely_one said:
Hi everyone
I just want to throw my 2 cents in (or watever they say) about the "cheap labour thing" personally i dont see why everyone is goin so mad about it. Forgotten_man just made a throw off joke. He wasnt being serious and he wasnt encouraging the use of children in any "cheap labour" way. It was just a JOKE. Ok some of u may not find it funny (i myself did smile at this comment) but i dont think you should all have a go at him. It was a joke...wats wrong wid that?!
Take care
L1
I understand completely that there are alot of people here with very sensitive problems and we all need to b aware of that wen we r talking. However it can go over the top. Anything and everything we discuss could b sensitive to *someone* so does that mean we avoid ever expressing an opinion? Alot of very sensitive things are discussed on this forum (SH, Abuse, suicide etc) and that is simply because of the nature of this forum. In the end Forgotten_man didnt mean any offence by his comment, it was just an off hand comment. Also he wrote it in the section especially made for ppl to express their opinions. So i cannot see why people are reacting so badly to it. We cant just not voice opinions in case sum1 gets offended. If we did that this forum could not exist.
L1
I just want to throw my 2 cents in (or watever they say) about the "cheap labour thing" personally i dont see why everyone is goin so mad about it. Forgotten_man just made a throw off joke. He wasnt being serious and he wasnt encouraging the use of children in any "cheap labour" way. It was just a JOKE. Ok some of u may not find it funny (i myself did smile at this comment) but i dont think you should all have a go at him. It was a joke...wats wrong wid that?!
Take care
L1
I understand completely that there are alot of people here with very sensitive problems and we all need to b aware of that wen we r talking. However it can go over the top. Anything and everything we discuss could b sensitive to *someone* so does that mean we avoid ever expressing an opinion? Alot of very sensitive things are discussed on this forum (SH, Abuse, suicide etc) and that is simply because of the nature of this forum. In the end Forgotten_man didnt mean any offence by his comment, it was just an off hand comment. Also he wrote it in the section especially made for ppl to express their opinions. So i cannot see why people are reacting so badly to it. We cant just not voice opinions in case sum1 gets offended. If we did that this forum could not exist.
L1
Mia said:
Alright. I find cracking a joke at something that is abusive very funny. just like i enjoy hearing parents tear kids apart like my mother did to me. I find that imensely amusing. A joke that comes out of anger and is meant as a way to express something that is opposite is one thing. It's a way to let things out. But I wouldn't find it funny. I would find it sad.
Mia
Edited to add: And many here know I have a big sense of humor.
Mia
Edited to add: And many here know I have a big sense of humor.
Malcontent said:
Lonely, it's all a matter of what is appropiate. That comment was not. As it was a joke it was left unedited. Many inappropriate comments are not. Such a small comment is not worth making this thread go off topic. Can we leave it alone now please?
R
i understand your not wanting children and you have that right and freedom if your careful. I personally feel blessed every single day having the brightness and love of my child. she is amazing insightful and very loving and kind and i take some credit for that . I am proud of her every moment. I would not change it for all the money in the world. all the gold in the world or anything else in exchange for the relationship i have with her.
it is through sharing our burdons that we become family. it is through family we develop a sence bigger than ourselves. it is through ourselves that we choose and act everyday. i like my choices of my family for it has refined my character to bein more patient open and undersatndin of thoughts outside of my own.they have tought me love really knows no bounds. for nomatter how down right dumb annoyin or completely the oppisate of these my love is the same for them it just knows no bonds. i would not trade this experience for nothin. i am a more genuine person with more humbble perseptions. i say choose ur burdans wisely. some will brake you and some will make you. for one thing is for sure we will all carrie burdons in this world.
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immure said:
it is through sharing our burdons that we become family. it is through family we develop a sence bigger than ourselves. it is through ourselves that we choose and act everyday. i like my choices of my family for it has refined my character to bein more patient open and undersatndin of thoughts outside of my own.they have tought me love really knows no bounds. for nomatter how down right dumb annoyin or completely the oppisate of these my love is the same for them it just knows no bonds. i would not trade this experience for nothin. i am a more genuine person with more humbble perseptions. i say choose ur burdans wisely. some will brake you and some will make you. for one thing is for sure we will all carrie burdons in this world.
roewanne said:
i understand your not wanting children and you have that right and freedom if your careful. I personally feel blessed every single day having the brightness and love of my child. she is amazing insightful and very loving and kind and i take some credit for that . I am proud of her every moment. I would not change it for all the money in the world. all the gold in the world or anything else in exchange for the relationship i have with her.
F
Well, here’s my little 2 cents...
I agree – what’s wrong with just having a relationship with another human being? Through circumstance I won’t be having any children. But I’ve never felt that strong of an overpowering urge to begin with (though I do enjoy being with "little ones" and getting down to their beautifully pure level). Once upon a time, it would have been “normal” for me to consider – but life happened while I was busy making other plans… So – I’ve taken the philosophical stance and looked around me at the world.
My first beef is that we no longer raise children, but CONSUMERS (!!) – and the way the population has expanded, the earth can no longer sustain us and the damage we cause. This is in part, or perhaps MOSTLY, because we see ourselves as separate from Nature. Above and beyond, and “masters”, not stewards. This makes us more, well, like parasites upon the planet really – using and not giving back. No other species does that without contributing something, and we only take. All other living organisms manage to sooner-or-later establish a ‘balance’ within the complex web of the natural world. SO I’m kinda hopeless that we’ll ever get it together.
Secondly, the expectation to have children is something not necessarily natural but ingrained through a narrow-minded culture or society. Just look at how single people, instead of being seen as contributing their own self-worth and gifts, are fairly ostracized by not having the 2.1 offspring with the white picket fence et al. Moreover, single men are still called bachelors, while single women are spinsters, in other words, losers. Unworthy. Then, there is the number of divorces and the so-called normal, “ideal” (it’s an illusion) perfect family being ripped apart hither thither and yon, leaving damage scattered all around. Not to mention there are a whole lot of f****d up people who should never have offspring, making like rabbits cause it’s the thing to do – procreate. I don’t think we know enough about ourselves in the first place to be passing on our genes without a WHOLE lot of thought and consideration. But we’re not taught to do that – just ‘go with the flow’. Like good l'il Sheeples...
I think (though I also think it’s hopeless) that especially at this crucial time, we need to reevaluate our reasons for the things we do – as well as their outcomes and consequences. I agree that having children can and does expand our horizons, and our human selves – but I also think it’s NOT selfish to decide not to have children, but a conscientious assessment of our capabilities, and where our energies might *best* be spent – for the good of ALL - and that’s not something our human culture promotes…
FAL1
*By the by, not to dredge up the appropriateness or lack thereof regarding any black humour expressed, but m'dears, child labour (forced) IS a reality (nightmare) in many parts of the world (as is child prostitution). Were these beings welcomed into the world with open arms, or made an expendable commodity. Think next time you gleefully find a "bargain" product made in a foreign country - or unwillingly have your eyes opened to the rampant prevalence of child pornography...hmmmm
I agree – what’s wrong with just having a relationship with another human being? Through circumstance I won’t be having any children. But I’ve never felt that strong of an overpowering urge to begin with (though I do enjoy being with "little ones" and getting down to their beautifully pure level). Once upon a time, it would have been “normal” for me to consider – but life happened while I was busy making other plans… So – I’ve taken the philosophical stance and looked around me at the world.
My first beef is that we no longer raise children, but CONSUMERS (!!) – and the way the population has expanded, the earth can no longer sustain us and the damage we cause. This is in part, or perhaps MOSTLY, because we see ourselves as separate from Nature. Above and beyond, and “masters”, not stewards. This makes us more, well, like parasites upon the planet really – using and not giving back. No other species does that without contributing something, and we only take. All other living organisms manage to sooner-or-later establish a ‘balance’ within the complex web of the natural world. SO I’m kinda hopeless that we’ll ever get it together.
Secondly, the expectation to have children is something not necessarily natural but ingrained through a narrow-minded culture or society. Just look at how single people, instead of being seen as contributing their own self-worth and gifts, are fairly ostracized by not having the 2.1 offspring with the white picket fence et al. Moreover, single men are still called bachelors, while single women are spinsters, in other words, losers. Unworthy. Then, there is the number of divorces and the so-called normal, “ideal” (it’s an illusion) perfect family being ripped apart hither thither and yon, leaving damage scattered all around. Not to mention there are a whole lot of f****d up people who should never have offspring, making like rabbits cause it’s the thing to do – procreate. I don’t think we know enough about ourselves in the first place to be passing on our genes without a WHOLE lot of thought and consideration. But we’re not taught to do that – just ‘go with the flow’. Like good l'il Sheeples...
I think (though I also think it’s hopeless) that especially at this crucial time, we need to reevaluate our reasons for the things we do – as well as their outcomes and consequences. I agree that having children can and does expand our horizons, and our human selves – but I also think it’s NOT selfish to decide not to have children, but a conscientious assessment of our capabilities, and where our energies might *best* be spent – for the good of ALL - and that’s not something our human culture promotes…
FAL1
*By the by, not to dredge up the appropriateness or lack thereof regarding any black humour expressed, but m'dears, child labour (forced) IS a reality (nightmare) in many parts of the world (as is child prostitution). Were these beings welcomed into the world with open arms, or made an expendable commodity. Think next time you gleefully find a "bargain" product made in a foreign country - or unwillingly have your eyes opened to the rampant prevalence of child pornography...hmmmm
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FoundAndLost1 said:
Well, here’s my little 2 cents...
I agree – what’s wrong with just having a relationship with another human being? Through circumstance I won’t be having any children. But I’ve never felt that strong of an overpowering urge to begin with (though I do enjoy being with "little ones" and getting down to their beautifully pure level). Once upon a time, it would have been “normal” for me to consider – but life happened while I was busy making other plans… So – I’ve taken the philosophical stance and looked around me at the world.
My first beef is that we no longer raise children, but CONSUMERS (!!) – and the way the population has expanded, the earth can no longer sustain us and the damage we cause. This is in part, or perhaps MOSTLY, because we see ourselves as separate from Nature. Above and beyond, and “masters”, not stewards. This makes us more, well, like parasites upon the planet really – using and not giving back. No other species does that without contributing something, and we only take. All other living organisms manage to sooner-or-later establish a ‘balance’ within the complex web of the natural world. SO I’m kinda hopeless that we’ll ever get it together.
Secondly, the expectation to have children is something not necessarily natural but ingrained through a narrow-minded culture or society. Just look at how single people, instead of being seen as contributing their own self-worth and gifts, are fairly ostracized by not having the 2.1 offspring with the white picket fence et al. Moreover, single men are still called bachelors, while single women are spinsters, in other words, losers. Unworthy. Then, there is the number of divorces and the so-called normal, “ideal” (it’s an illusion) perfect family being ripped apart hither thither and yon, leaving damage scattered all around. Not to mention there are a whole lot of f****d up people who should never have offspring, making like rabbits cause it’s the thing to do – procreate. I don’t think we know enough about ourselves in the first place to be passing on our genes without a WHOLE lot of thought and consideration. But we’re not taught to do that – just ‘go with the flow’. Like good l'il Sheeples...
I think (though I also think it’s hopeless) that especially at this crucial time, we need to reevaluate our reasons for the things we do – as well as their outcomes and consequences. I agree that having children can and does expand our horizons, and our human selves – but I also think it’s NOT selfish to decide not to have children, but a conscientious assessment of our capabilities, and where our energies might *best* be spent – for the good of ALL - and that’s not something our human culture promotes…
FAL1
*By the by, not to dredge up the appropriateness or lack thereof regarding any black humour expressed, but m'dears, child labour (forced) IS a reality (nightmare) in many parts of the world (as is child prostitution). Were these beings welcomed into the world with open arms, or made an expendable commodity. Think next time you gleefully find a "bargain" product made in a foreign country - or unwillingly have your eyes opened to the rampant prevalence of child pornography...hmmmm
I agree – what’s wrong with just having a relationship with another human being? Through circumstance I won’t be having any children. But I’ve never felt that strong of an overpowering urge to begin with (though I do enjoy being with "little ones" and getting down to their beautifully pure level). Once upon a time, it would have been “normal” for me to consider – but life happened while I was busy making other plans… So – I’ve taken the philosophical stance and looked around me at the world.
My first beef is that we no longer raise children, but CONSUMERS (!!) – and the way the population has expanded, the earth can no longer sustain us and the damage we cause. This is in part, or perhaps MOSTLY, because we see ourselves as separate from Nature. Above and beyond, and “masters”, not stewards. This makes us more, well, like parasites upon the planet really – using and not giving back. No other species does that without contributing something, and we only take. All other living organisms manage to sooner-or-later establish a ‘balance’ within the complex web of the natural world. SO I’m kinda hopeless that we’ll ever get it together.
Secondly, the expectation to have children is something not necessarily natural but ingrained through a narrow-minded culture or society. Just look at how single people, instead of being seen as contributing their own self-worth and gifts, are fairly ostracized by not having the 2.1 offspring with the white picket fence et al. Moreover, single men are still called bachelors, while single women are spinsters, in other words, losers. Unworthy. Then, there is the number of divorces and the so-called normal, “ideal” (it’s an illusion) perfect family being ripped apart hither thither and yon, leaving damage scattered all around. Not to mention there are a whole lot of f****d up people who should never have offspring, making like rabbits cause it’s the thing to do – procreate. I don’t think we know enough about ourselves in the first place to be passing on our genes without a WHOLE lot of thought and consideration. But we’re not taught to do that – just ‘go with the flow’. Like good l'il Sheeples...
I think (though I also think it’s hopeless) that especially at this crucial time, we need to reevaluate our reasons for the things we do – as well as their outcomes and consequences. I agree that having children can and does expand our horizons, and our human selves – but I also think it’s NOT selfish to decide not to have children, but a conscientious assessment of our capabilities, and where our energies might *best* be spent – for the good of ALL - and that’s not something our human culture promotes…
FAL1
*By the by, not to dredge up the appropriateness or lack thereof regarding any black humour expressed, but m'dears, child labour (forced) IS a reality (nightmare) in many parts of the world (as is child prostitution). Were these beings welcomed into the world with open arms, or made an expendable commodity. Think next time you gleefully find a "bargain" product made in a foreign country - or unwillingly have your eyes opened to the rampant prevalence of child pornography...hmmmm
Except most bacholers or spinsters do not give society any other reason to believe that they are any better. I have found a majority are immature, rude, and childish. My dad for example, he thinks he is gods gift to women... that is an immature standpoint that society sees over what he does for a living. And in reality he makes it so soceity sees only that. The few of us who do something in the world that are bachelors or spinsters are seen in one general light.
This baby is the most exciting thing thats ever happend to me in my entire life. Its all I can do to keep myself from running around in circles jumping for joy at times. The idea that I'll be able to hold our precious baby girl in less than two months is enough to make me wanna start bawling like a baby myself, And while it is true that any two idiots (of opposite gender, with working reproductive organs) can make a baby, it in now way makes her any less special to me. :bleh:
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