How Are You Feeling Right Now?

[Widowedvegan]

@Dalida and @Widowedvegan I have started a thread for vegetarians and vegans in the Healthy Lifestyle section where you can share recipes, ideas and experiences. This is for support only and any critical posts (from meat eaters or non meat eaters) will be removed.

I hope this helps

This was very thoughtful of you @Sunspots …
My earlier post was not meant to create bad feelings, I just wanted to show some support to @Dalida and to say that I am Often triggered by comments which Offend me!
Being a Vegan living in a very Non Vegan world Greatly affects my mental health!
When my also vegan husband was alive it was Much easier, I had someone who shared my values and Love of All life… Now I am stuck living in a world that I don’t really like and certainly don’t feel a part of… Hence my desire Not to be alive…
For me it feels important to support fellow Vegans because I Know how alone and unsupported I often feel…
It feels to me that Vegans rarely get the support that other “marginal” groups receive…

 

[AvidFan]

Kind of anxious about my mental health care situation. Theyre closing down the clinic where I go and I have to call to figure out if and where I can get a new place now. It was supposed to have happened already but didn't.

I have one refill left so I really hope this works out otherwise I have to go to the ER.

I hope you get this sorted.

 

[AvidFan]

I'm tired and deflated but not defeated. Both my high paying projects have been taken offline, there was other work I could do but I only managed to do 1.5 hours and suddenly my brain started freezing up as the work was quite dull. So I stopped before I could start drifting and pressing the wrong buttons. I'm out and about and seeing real live real world people for meetings and networking for a few days now and I think it will be nice to forget the remote work for a bit, maybe it will all get fixed by the time I sit down to it again - and my well will have filled back up with a bit of luck! I just do need to earn enough to cover my 2 week holiday over Christmas as I really need it and it will be here before I know it! Oh and the accountant I haven't paid yet, and the rest of the tax.... One thing at a time! And some sleep. Sleep is now a priority!

 

[Widowedvegan]

I do see both sides of this issue, but I also believe the term "carrion eaters" is name calling. A carrion eater refers to eating rotten flesh. You can disagree with someone's choices without exaggerating and name calling.

You say people who eat meat or animal products can't love animals... however that simply isn't true. Yes, you can eat a cow and still love your dog. The human mind can compartmentalize very well!!! And here's the most important thing - most of us grow up eating meat or animal products, often 3 times a day! Our diet is based around these products and some cultures (such as Inuit) had to eat a heavily meat-based diet due to geographic factors. People in many cultures now are choosing to eat less meat, but it takes time to change one's eating habits.

I have taken university-level Biology and have seen PhDs debate about whether it's necessary or desirable for humans to eat any amount of meat, animal by-products or animal products. Of course we know humans CAN survive on a vegan diet, although usually supplements or careful planning must be taken to avoid nutritional deficiencies. But the very fact that supplementation is necessary on a vegan diet means that it isn't "natural" to some people.

I currently eat free-range poultry and dairy a few times a week for the health reasons I specified, although I was vegetarian and 90% vegan for 12 years. My husband never stopped eating meat - because his doctor advised him not to - he is very thin and requires a high-protein diet due to a muscular condition. He does eat things like tofu though, and has reduced his consumption of meat quite a bit.

My point here is this is a complex issue and there are many factors. It's reasonable to state your case even passionately, but not reasonable to attack others. It's not okay to name call or suggest that due to your religion you have no qualms about killing.

As for the religious question, I can assure you I've gotten in trouble myself quite a few times for expressing views on that topic that were considered too extreme for this forum - that's the moderators' prerogative. Most of us here have mental health issues on this forum and can get triggered into saying things that in turn trigger others. It's hard not to have strong views on the subject when you've been through things like abuse by religious leaders, but I do understand that some people find their religion to be a comfort and it's not my right to challenge that on a mental health forum. Things like religion and eating habits are highly personal and tied to emotion for all involved. It may be reasonable to challenge our beliefs but not necessarily on a forum dedicated to suicide prevention.

Hello @Lady Wolfshead …
There is a lot in this post that I would like to respond to however, for the moment I will only comment on one or two things…
First of all the Only thing that needs to be supplemented in a Vegan diet is Vitamin B12 and the Only reason that an omnivore doesn’t need to supplement it is because the animals that they are consuming have already been supplemented with vitamin B12 … Also of note is the fact that many people are deficient in vitamin B12 and more often than not it is the omnivores who are deficient rather than Vegans because Vegans are usually aware of the need to supplement it…

Secondly I did not say that people who eat meat or animal products can’t love animals… What I said is that they Only love Certain animals! However, people will often say that they are “an animal lover” which is what is simply not true! As I said they Only love Certain animals! I do believe that you love your cat… As I believe that others here love whichever animal they live with… And yes, I agree that humans are Very adept at compartmentalising! Cat&dog = friend Cow&pig =food
But my question is Why? Just because we have Always done it? Well, there are Quite a few things that we used to do that we have come to regret and now we no longer do them…
Slavery is one of the Worst things we humans have done and continue to do to each other - that in today’s world is no longer seen as acceptable… So yes, we are capable of changing our views of what is or isn’t acceptable…
As a Vegan my hope is that one day - although it is highly unlikely that it will be in my lifetime - the consumption and use of animals will be seen just as unacceptable…
Peace to all living beings…

 

[Windhover]

I hope everything is okay, or going to be soon @Astrid78 .

 

[Sunspots]

I think we've had enough discussion on veganism now so I'm asking for a change of subject. People are all entitled to their own opinions and their beliefs are true for them even if they seem off to us.

Thanks

 

[Dalida]

This was very thoughtful of you @Sunspots …
My earlier post was not meant to create bad feelings, I just wanted to show some support to @Dalida and to say that I am Often triggered by comments which Offend me!
Being a Vegan living in a very Non Vegan world Greatly affects my mental health!
When my also vegan husband was alive it was Much easier, I had someone who shared my values and Love of All life… Now I am stuck living in a world that I don’t really like and certainly don’t feel a part of… Hence my desire Not to be alive…
For me it feels important to support fellow Vegans because I Know how alone and unsupported I often feel…
It feels to me that Vegans rarely get the support that other “marginal” groups receive…

Thank you for your kind words and support. Ganging up on vegans is kind a national past time. We just want to do what's best for all living things and for the environment, but for some reason people love punching down at vegans. I'm sorry that you feel alone in this harsh world without your partner. I'm alone and I know it's hard. It sounds like we both have strong moral compasses and that makes life far more complicated for us. I will look for the thread that Sunspots referred to. Peace and Love

 

[Lane]

This was very thoughtful of you @Sunspots …
My earlier post was not meant to create bad feelings, I just wanted to show some support to @Dalida and to say that I am Often triggered by comments which Offend me!
Being a Vegan living in a very Non Vegan world Greatly affects my mental health!
When my also vegan husband was alive it was Much easier, I had someone who shared my values and Love of All life… Now I am stuck living in a world that I don’t really like and certainly don’t feel a part of… Hence my desire Not to be alive…
For me it feels important to support fellow Vegans because I Know how alone and unsupported I often feel…
It feels to me that Vegans rarely get the support that other “marginal” groups receive…

I commend your lifestyle choice. I'm sorry for the loss of your husband. I'm a pescatarian. I am glad you found this forum and hope you can finally find the support you need.

 

[Lane]

Happy, my girlfriend from work invited me to go out for fishbowls at the bowling alley while her kids bowl. Fun.

 

[Ju]

i hope your migraine is better today. how was the mcdonalds yesterday?

mike.....

My migraine has finally gone, they usually take 2-3 days to clear up. As for the McDonald's it was just what I needed even if I did have to share it with 2 cats 😂

 

[Astrid78]

I hope everything is okay, or going to be soon @Astrid78 .

Thanks, me too.

 

[Waves]

Tired of being rejected and hurt. My birthday fell on a Saturday two weeks ago. No birthday greetings at work but it is their policy to recognize everyone’s birthday. We had a sports day the following Thursday with hot dogs and all. The administrative assistant saw the reminder for my birthday on the annual calendar the following week and she decided that the hot dog lunch was my birthday celebration. Really? Does she really think I could not see through that? In summary there was no recognition of my birthday. Not even the annual birthday card. And they never asked me if I like hot dogs or can eat them. But today a coworker was recognized with a birthday sheet cake with her name on it too. So they went out of their way to order it and had her name put on it. I am a good person. A good worker. But I am the oldest. Over 60. It is like seniors have no value or feelings or worth.

 

[Dalida]

Tired of being rejected and hurt. My birthday fell on a Saturday two weeks ago. No birthday greetings at work but it is their policy to recognize everyone’s birthday. We had a sports day the following Thursday with hot dogs and all. The administrative assistant saw the reminder for my birthday on the annual calendar the following week and she decided that the hot dog lunch was my birthday celebration. Really? Does she really think I could not see through that? In summary there was no recognition of my birthday. Not even the annual birthday card. And they never asked me if I like hot dogs or can eat them. But today a coworker was recognized with a birthday sheet cake with her name on it too. So they went out of their way to order it and had her name put on it. I am a good person. A good worker. But I am the oldest. Over 60. It is like seniors have no value or feelings or worth.

That sounds like an awful experience. I'm sorry they are all so thoughtless. That was very unkind. I'm the oldest by 20 years in my department. Ageism is real and it's painful. You deserve better. Happy belated birthday.

 

[Harmony]

The good news, my migraine is gone. The bad news, rather than taking my drowse-inducing Triptan, I mindlessly took Excedrin Migraine. Not to mention I had coffee as well. I'll be up all night d/t caffeine overload. So much for getting my circadian rhythm in check.

 

[Lady Wolfshead]

Tired of being rejected and hurt. My birthday fell on a Saturday two weeks ago. No birthday greetings at work but it is their policy to recognize everyone’s birthday. We had a sports day the following Thursday with hot dogs and all. The administrative assistant saw the reminder for my birthday on the annual calendar the following week and she decided that the hot dog lunch was my birthday celebration. Really? Does she really think I could not see through that? In summary there was no recognition of my birthday. Not even the annual birthday card. And they never asked me if I like hot dogs or can eat them. But today a coworker was recognized with a birthday sheet cake with her name on it too. So they went out of their way to order it and had her name put on it. I am a good person. A good worker. But I am the oldest. Over 60. It is like seniors have no value or feelings or worth.

I'm sorry Waves. That is awful. I would personally probably say something especially if my coworker got a cake and card, and I didn't. Especially if it's their policy to recognize a birthday and something they always do. That's really unfair and I can see how it would make you feel unappreciated and invisible. Is there a supervisor or manager you could mention it to, just something like "I wanted to say that I felt really bad when X got a cake for her birthday and I didn't." You don't need to explain further and if they waffle, you don't need to say anything. Let them feel embarrassed. Birthdays for someone over 60 are arguably MORE important than younger people's birthdays.

Sometimes Management are such idiots and they really need a kick in the pants. When my company decided we would no longer have our own desks but switch every day (huge department), one lady in her 60s said "This is going to make me feel really lonely. I live alone and I look forward to sitting next to my neighbours at work each day and checking in with them."

I caught the comical look of surprise on our young male manager's face when she spoke. He was shocked at the reminder she was a human being and not a widget. Luckily the pandemic prevented them from going ahead with the desks plan.

 

[1964dodge]

I'm exhausted. Can barely stay awake lately

 

[1964dodge]

As someone who has not been on this forum for very long and hasn’t posted in quite a while I was hesitant to comment… I dislike conflict… However, I have seen Far worse things written on the forums here that have not been addressed in the way that @Dalida has been called out for… Several people said How much they hate the Human Race…
Personally I don’t hate humans, but I do Prefer Animals!

Perhaps bringing religion into it was what made it a step too far, I don’t know…Although I have read Many posts which are very Anti religion and have received less criticism…

It seems to me that there are Many issues that are deemed sensitive and that are handled with extreme care… I wonder though if the Non Vegans out there realise how triggering and hurtful much of what they post could be? And to be honest, there are many things posted that I am shocked, disgusted, angry and hurt by…
Perhaps I am just an over sensitive Vegan, but until now even though I was upset I didn’t say anything…

Of course I avoid All of the threads regarding food - I know that I wouldn’t want to read them, but often the eating of Animals is mentioned in other posts…

So many people say that they Love animals… But from my perspective they don’t… They only Love certain animals… What makes a cat more special than a cow? Why is a dog better than a pig? It has been shown that pigs are actually smarter than dogs!

Enough said for now…

 

[Witty_Sarcasm]

The gnawing loneliness is starting up, and I'm not sure how to quell that feeling.

 

[1964dodge]

The good news, my migraine is gone. The bad news, rather than taking my drowse-inducing Triptan, I mindlessly took Excedrin Migraine. Not to mention I had coffee as well. I'll be up all night d/t caffeine overload. So much for getting my circadian rhythm in check.

 

[1964dodge]

The gnawing loneliness is starting up, and I'm not sure how to quell that feeling.

one way is to talk with your friends on SF

mike....