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I got taught that sin is something that separates you from God, so therefore suicide is sin. However that doesn't mean you're going to hell for eternal damnation (!?!?!?)
Therefore, surely sin is only a concept applicable to christians.
Maybe what the question really should be is "is it right?" or "is it justified?" or "should i feel guilty for being suicidal?" not whether or not it is a sin.
Lizzy.
Therefore, surely sin is only a concept applicable to christians.
Maybe what the question really should be is "is it right?" or "is it justified?" or "should i feel guilty for being suicidal?" not whether or not it is a sin.
Lizzy.
Suicide is defined as a sin.But if you have let The father the son and the holy spirit into yor heart, you can still get into heaven.Thats what my preacher told me, but he said hes "never heard of a christian commiting suicide." i sometimes feel i could be the first Christian he knows of that is suicidal.
what do you think about suicide?
This is so weird, I was just reading on this topic. All preachers probably will say you will face the fires of hell if you suicide. I used to agree, but have altered my view. I used to be afraid of hell, etc and acknowledge I had to live here until natural or disease death. BUT, now I changed my mind, since this depression episode and life (shit) that it throws at you. I think that the Lord does understand those of us that struggle with this mind challenges.
Check into another forum had a thread that I uncovered: fcnforums.christianity.com
It may be good info.
This is so weird, I was just reading on this topic. All preachers probably will say you will face the fires of hell if you suicide. I used to agree, but have altered my view. I used to be afraid of hell, etc and acknowledge I had to live here until natural or disease death. BUT, now I changed my mind, since this depression episode and life (shit) that it throws at you. I think that the Lord does understand those of us that struggle with this mind challenges.
Check into another forum had a thread that I uncovered: fcnforums.christianity.com
It may be good info.
It would seem strange if suicide were considered a sin in Christianity because technically Jesus committed suicide.
Consider this: When I was young a distant uncle who lived not far from us was killed by the fast train in the middle of the night and his poor family stood to get a big leg up from his insurance payout however his death was ruled to be suicide and no claim paid.
You see he worked shift and often came home in the middle of the night - we all knew the fast train that came through as our houses reverberated with every train that passed.
Also everyone crossed the train line at the level crossing there was nothing strange about that but what was critical is that someone had seen my uncle 'waiting' on the track. It was apparently done with knowledge aforethought and was therefore suicide.
Consider the death of Jesus (as taught by Christian dogma). Jesus went to Gethsemane and waited for the guards to come - who he knew were going to kill him. By all reports he knew what was going to happen to him if he stayed there - just as my uncle would have. Both apparently had plenty of time to leave - in fact for Jesus the wait seemed particularly difficult such that he sweated blood - so why is one suicide and one not?
Just because Jesus didnt actually do the act should not be relevent as my uncle did not actually do the act either he was killed by a train, although - it was 'suicide by train' - was Jesus' action any less 'suicide by roman guard'.
The fact that it might have been an act of sacrifice is also not relevant as that applies also in either case.
Suicide is still suicide even if your death is actually caused by some outside force like a train, a pavement or a roman guard. Any person who freely chooses to undertake an act which they know will result in their death is committing suicide - Jesus did exactly this, so it is hard to believe he would be too rough on someone else who did the same.
Consider this: When I was young a distant uncle who lived not far from us was killed by the fast train in the middle of the night and his poor family stood to get a big leg up from his insurance payout however his death was ruled to be suicide and no claim paid.
You see he worked shift and often came home in the middle of the night - we all knew the fast train that came through as our houses reverberated with every train that passed.
Also everyone crossed the train line at the level crossing there was nothing strange about that but what was critical is that someone had seen my uncle 'waiting' on the track. It was apparently done with knowledge aforethought and was therefore suicide.
Consider the death of Jesus (as taught by Christian dogma). Jesus went to Gethsemane and waited for the guards to come - who he knew were going to kill him. By all reports he knew what was going to happen to him if he stayed there - just as my uncle would have. Both apparently had plenty of time to leave - in fact for Jesus the wait seemed particularly difficult such that he sweated blood - so why is one suicide and one not?
Just because Jesus didnt actually do the act should not be relevent as my uncle did not actually do the act either he was killed by a train, although - it was 'suicide by train' - was Jesus' action any less 'suicide by roman guard'.
The fact that it might have been an act of sacrifice is also not relevant as that applies also in either case.
Suicide is still suicide even if your death is actually caused by some outside force like a train, a pavement or a roman guard. Any person who freely chooses to undertake an act which they know will result in their death is committing suicide - Jesus did exactly this, so it is hard to believe he would be too rough on someone else who did the same.
Thought id share my views on this subject :smile:
In my opinion it depends on the individual, a person could be religious and in thier gods eye suicide is an sin, God is meant to create life and when its your turn he will call on you, but if 'god' cares so much for this earth why does he let use suffer in constant emotional or phsyical pain, so much that we can't carry on our on lives anymore? every person 'owns' their life, they have the right to do what they wish with it, thats their choice but when it directly involves another person i feel that it is a sin.
Say someone commits suicide but jumping under a train or car, your gonna fuck up the other persons life for as long as they live, jumping in front of a train of one on the selfish way someone could possible die, the person driving that train see's you jump and theres nothing he/she can do except watch you be shread to pieces right infront of them, your putting that person thru that, putting them thru unessary pain, and sometimes what you done can lead to themselfs commiting suicide because they can't handle the feelings and emotions you put them thru, thats not fair.
Suicide can be a selfish thing, before you commit suicide you dont stop to think who's gotta clean the mess up that you made because you couldn't handle what your going thru, because you saw no way out. Your death will have a knock on effect on other people, and some people dont realise this. Imagine you had to go clean up someone who jumped of a building, imagine the sight, imagine having to tell their family, that image will stick with them for the rest of their life.
In some aspects its a sin, such as other people will have to be involved in your death and thats putting them thru pain that doesn't need to be caused, but on the other hand its your life.
'If God determines all births and deaths, of what use is medicine and why should doctors defy with pills and powders, the decrees of God? No one, except a few insane, act now according to this childish superstition. Why should a man, surrounded by flames, in the midst of a burning building, from which there is no escape, hesitate to put a bullet through his brain or a dagger in his heart? Would it give God pleasure to see him burn? When did the man lose the right of self-defence?'
The 6th commandment states that 'thou shalt not kill', in my eyes killing yourself is the same as killing someone else, religous people tend to try and twist this commandment to justify their intensions on suicide, they will say something along these lines: 'god does not mention killing yourself only that killing someone else is a sin'. This is not true suicide is killing, commiting suicide is breaking that 6th commandment.
Its said that many religous people feel that if they commit suicide then they wont have to repent or seek forgiveness for their actions because it will be too late.
'It has been said that those who commit suicide, because of its very nature, have no opportunity to repent and seek forgiveness'
So this question will never be truely answered, we all have different opinions on different things, what one person considers a sin may not be considered a sin to other people, we all have differnt believe on what right and whats wrong.
In my opinion it depends on the individual, a person could be religious and in thier gods eye suicide is an sin, God is meant to create life and when its your turn he will call on you, but if 'god' cares so much for this earth why does he let use suffer in constant emotional or phsyical pain, so much that we can't carry on our on lives anymore? every person 'owns' their life, they have the right to do what they wish with it, thats their choice but when it directly involves another person i feel that it is a sin.
Say someone commits suicide but jumping under a train or car, your gonna fuck up the other persons life for as long as they live, jumping in front of a train of one on the selfish way someone could possible die, the person driving that train see's you jump and theres nothing he/she can do except watch you be shread to pieces right infront of them, your putting that person thru that, putting them thru unessary pain, and sometimes what you done can lead to themselfs commiting suicide because they can't handle the feelings and emotions you put them thru, thats not fair.
Suicide can be a selfish thing, before you commit suicide you dont stop to think who's gotta clean the mess up that you made because you couldn't handle what your going thru, because you saw no way out. Your death will have a knock on effect on other people, and some people dont realise this. Imagine you had to go clean up someone who jumped of a building, imagine the sight, imagine having to tell their family, that image will stick with them for the rest of their life.
In some aspects its a sin, such as other people will have to be involved in your death and thats putting them thru pain that doesn't need to be caused, but on the other hand its your life.
'If God determines all births and deaths, of what use is medicine and why should doctors defy with pills and powders, the decrees of God? No one, except a few insane, act now according to this childish superstition. Why should a man, surrounded by flames, in the midst of a burning building, from which there is no escape, hesitate to put a bullet through his brain or a dagger in his heart? Would it give God pleasure to see him burn? When did the man lose the right of self-defence?'
The 6th commandment states that 'thou shalt not kill', in my eyes killing yourself is the same as killing someone else, religous people tend to try and twist this commandment to justify their intensions on suicide, they will say something along these lines: 'god does not mention killing yourself only that killing someone else is a sin'. This is not true suicide is killing, commiting suicide is breaking that 6th commandment.
Its said that many religous people feel that if they commit suicide then they wont have to repent or seek forgiveness for their actions because it will be too late.
'It has been said that those who commit suicide, because of its very nature, have no opportunity to repent and seek forgiveness'
So this question will never be truely answered, we all have different opinions on different things, what one person considers a sin may not be considered a sin to other people, we all have differnt believe on what right and whats wrong.
Hello, Is suicide a sin? If you are looking for biblical answers, there are a few people in the bible who committed suicide. The apostle Paul talks about things being permissible but not everything we do is beneficial. Suicide is a choice just like everything else we do in this life. But with our choice comes concequence.
The examples in the bible clearly show that those people had turned thier back on God, and were not convicted by thier sin, in fact the opposite. They in thier shame and thier torment could see no other way and they refused God's refuge and mercy. This is not a lecture, and I appologize if it comes across that way.
Many many of us , in fact all of us have struggles, the difference is many of us do not know how to DEAL or put these problems in the proper perspective. We try to manage on our own accord, but somehow the turmoil and pain become unbearable and they take on a monstorous figure where we begin to fear it and dwell on the pain it causes.
We have to understand that all - every single one of us on this earth is a created being and created into sin. We are sinful in nature and by me being a Christian doesn't make me in any better standing than one who does not call themselves by the same name.
Sin creates a boundary and prevents us from knowing the one who created us. It keeps us from knowing God. Is suicide a sin? Yes, I believe it is, though the bible doesn't come out and say so, we are shown the examples of it and the outcome. God expects us to think for ourselves and draw our own conclusions and understandings, and although it would be very helpful if this situaion of sin and suicide was spelled out for us, that would be too easy. Because if was something that was allowed, then I tell you every Christian on this earth would be committing suicide in order to see Jesus face and enter heaven.
We are told that it is a place with no more sorrow, and no more pain. It is a place where we can know only happiness and love in its purest form. That is a place worth fighting for, but suicide is not the answer.
If it were, then Christians would be preaching that to the ends of the earth. It would contradict God's word when he says that perseverance through trouble builds character. It is these struggles we LIVE through helps us reach out to those broken hearted who are struggling with what you have just over come. We are to HELP eachother, and Love eachother.
Jesus died so that you do not have to. Jesus died so that your sins would not overwhelm you. He died so that you would not turn to suicide instead.
It's a hard concept, and I do not mean to preach to you, if you are not ready to listen. It's hard to talk about sin, and not the rest, but just know that if suicide was permissible, many of us Christians would have died by our own hands.
Many people will tell you and quote the commandment " thou shall not murder" - That is true, I guess taking one's life is your right, but it is a form of murder, since murder is taking of A LIFE, and it isn't specific to who's life that may be. But just as that is said, Hatred towards another , we are told is just the same as murder itself, for it is murder in our hearts. The ten commandments, we are supposed to adhere to, but it is impossible in the spirit to do so. "The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak"
That is why we have a saviour, Jesus Christ who took on flesh for our transgressions. Once we come to know Jesus, we are no longer slaves to sin and the commandments are more easily understood and followed because we are then convicted of our sinful nature.
Many Christians I myself included, can sometimes be overwhelmed by our sinful nature, and some of us do let it rule us. I am saying in the perhaps long winded message, that no one is better than another, and no one should think of themselves more than they ought. We are to be of sober judement and self controlled.
If suicide was the answer, then there would be no need to reach the Lost before God comes back, when you are dead, it's too late to recieve the gift of God's mercy and grace. When we are dead, it's too late to hear the message. That's why many Christians are so fervent in these times, because there will be a time when it's too late. When we are dead.
You are worthy, you may not know it, or feel it, but there is genuine love from strangers out there , and it's given to you freely with no strings attached. If you need help, reach out. Do not dispair, your thoughts and feelings are just that. You are flesh, what is your pain that menefests itself as a roaring lion in your ear? It can be conquered with time, and perseverance. You are not alone, never.
Love shannon.
The examples in the bible clearly show that those people had turned thier back on God, and were not convicted by thier sin, in fact the opposite. They in thier shame and thier torment could see no other way and they refused God's refuge and mercy. This is not a lecture, and I appologize if it comes across that way.
Many many of us , in fact all of us have struggles, the difference is many of us do not know how to DEAL or put these problems in the proper perspective. We try to manage on our own accord, but somehow the turmoil and pain become unbearable and they take on a monstorous figure where we begin to fear it and dwell on the pain it causes.
We have to understand that all - every single one of us on this earth is a created being and created into sin. We are sinful in nature and by me being a Christian doesn't make me in any better standing than one who does not call themselves by the same name.
Sin creates a boundary and prevents us from knowing the one who created us. It keeps us from knowing God. Is suicide a sin? Yes, I believe it is, though the bible doesn't come out and say so, we are shown the examples of it and the outcome. God expects us to think for ourselves and draw our own conclusions and understandings, and although it would be very helpful if this situaion of sin and suicide was spelled out for us, that would be too easy. Because if was something that was allowed, then I tell you every Christian on this earth would be committing suicide in order to see Jesus face and enter heaven.
We are told that it is a place with no more sorrow, and no more pain. It is a place where we can know only happiness and love in its purest form. That is a place worth fighting for, but suicide is not the answer.
If it were, then Christians would be preaching that to the ends of the earth. It would contradict God's word when he says that perseverance through trouble builds character. It is these struggles we LIVE through helps us reach out to those broken hearted who are struggling with what you have just over come. We are to HELP eachother, and Love eachother.
Jesus died so that you do not have to. Jesus died so that your sins would not overwhelm you. He died so that you would not turn to suicide instead.
It's a hard concept, and I do not mean to preach to you, if you are not ready to listen. It's hard to talk about sin, and not the rest, but just know that if suicide was permissible, many of us Christians would have died by our own hands.
Many people will tell you and quote the commandment " thou shall not murder" - That is true, I guess taking one's life is your right, but it is a form of murder, since murder is taking of A LIFE, and it isn't specific to who's life that may be. But just as that is said, Hatred towards another , we are told is just the same as murder itself, for it is murder in our hearts. The ten commandments, we are supposed to adhere to, but it is impossible in the spirit to do so. "The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak"
That is why we have a saviour, Jesus Christ who took on flesh for our transgressions. Once we come to know Jesus, we are no longer slaves to sin and the commandments are more easily understood and followed because we are then convicted of our sinful nature.
Many Christians I myself included, can sometimes be overwhelmed by our sinful nature, and some of us do let it rule us. I am saying in the perhaps long winded message, that no one is better than another, and no one should think of themselves more than they ought. We are to be of sober judement and self controlled.
If suicide was the answer, then there would be no need to reach the Lost before God comes back, when you are dead, it's too late to recieve the gift of God's mercy and grace. When we are dead, it's too late to hear the message. That's why many Christians are so fervent in these times, because there will be a time when it's too late. When we are dead.
You are worthy, you may not know it, or feel it, but there is genuine love from strangers out there , and it's given to you freely with no strings attached. If you need help, reach out. Do not dispair, your thoughts and feelings are just that. You are flesh, what is your pain that menefests itself as a roaring lion in your ear? It can be conquered with time, and perseverance. You are not alone, never.
Love shannon.
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