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#61
Additionally, have you ever had any problems with a backgrounds check or vetting process (for example CRB if you're in the UK) because of what happened?
I just thought I'd post in case it helped anyone else worried about this:

I was put on Section 3 last year (my first and only section) for 5 months. This year I had to get an Enhanced CRB check as a requirement for starting uni later this year. I was terrified that my section would show up and the uni would question me over it, maybe even cause me to lose my place. But thankfully, nothing showed up! It was completely clear. :)
 
#63
In Canada, police always come for suicide attempts or even if you threaten suicide. I've been taken to the EPAU (Emergency psychiatric assessment unit) many times by the police. Even the two times I majorly overdosed, they were there with the ambulance. They take you to the adult psych hospital, into the EPAU, and don't leave until you've been seen by a nurse and an ER doctor who decides if they're going to form you or not. Then the police leave and you wait for a psychiatrist to decide if they're going to admit you. One time when I overdosed really badly, because I'm 17, they took me to the children's hospital where I was in ICU, ER, pediatric critical care ward, and then the psych ward. They left once I was in the ER, which is better because then they don't yell at you about why you're there. Plus it's a shorter process, because even when you are admitted by a psychiatrist from EPAU, you end up in the children's psych ward, which means you have to be transferred which takes several hours. It's a horrible process.
 

QuadLazer

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Excuse my French, but HELL NO.

I would NEVER under ANY circumstances call the police OR 911 if myself or anybody was threatening or even tried to kill themselves. JUST TAKE THEM TO A HOSPITAL YOURSELF. The police will handcuff you, they will rough you up, and they will throw your ass in jail and charge you with anything they can get ahold of in a heartbeat. After all- that is kinda their job. =\
 
#65
After trying to throw myself off an m1 bypass last st georges day, they locked me up for 5 hours and drove me home, and that was it. They treat me just like I was an ordinary drunk pulling a prank or something.
 
#66
I was once arrested to prevent me jumping off of a pier. The trigger? I'd been arrested the previous night for domestic abuse; my ex called them because I hit her - neglecting to mention the minor detail that she'd tried to strangle me, stab me and throw me down the stairs in the previous hour. I'd literally only hit her once to save my own life.

But hey, I got arrested, she got the house and kids. Your criminal justice system at work.
 
#67
I've never actually been detained by them, but when I was living in a care home when I was 15, they showed up after i'd taken a really small OD because I told the care home staff if they called an ambulance I wouldn't go because i'd barely taken any pills. I have a built in terror when it comes to male authority figures (or percieved authority figures) because I was abused by a police officer.

So when the paramedics & police turned up I sat hanging out my window and was about 2 seconds away from jumping when one of the paramedics (the only female among 12 police officers & medics!) finally had the common sense to ask all the police and the male paramedic to leave. When the door was closed she talked me back in and spent 10 minutes calming me and hugging me. I was just about to go with her to the ambulance when the police burst in and said it was too quiet and they thought i'd hurt her.

They cuffed me, and held me down on my bedroom floor while I panicked and cried hysterically before thy finally let the paramedic explain that I'd been fine and gentle with her and that I was going to go to hospital with no problems. They wouldn't even let her talk for 20 minutes, but finally after being held down by 4 male police officers for around half hour they let me get u and uncuffed me so the paramedic could take me to the ambulance. She had a go at them for taking so long to listen to her because i'd OD'd!

The police terrify me after that experience! Plus being physically injured so badly I was in a coma for 3 days by a police officer because I was running upstairs to get away from them because I didn't want to make a statement about being raped! I hate them, I would do anything I had to to avoid having them involved in any MH crisis!
 
#68
I was once arrested to prevent me jumping off of a pier. The trigger? I'd been arrested the previous night for domestic abuse; my ex called them because I hit her - neglecting to mention the minor detail that she'd tried to strangle me, stab me and throw me down the stairs in the previous hour. I'd literally only hit her once to save my own life.

But hey, I got arrested, she got the house and kids. Your criminal justice system at work.
By the way...I feel for you! I know from experience that all a woman has to do is cry and say their partner hit them, and suddenly just because you're a guy and she's accused you, you're a wife-beater! It's totally unfair! I'm a woman who fights for the rights of men wrongly accused of domestic violence, often with absolutely no evidence, just a stereo-typing society! So many of them lose everything! <3
 

lightbeam

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By the way...I feel for you! I know from experience that all a woman has to do is cry and say their partner hit them, and suddenly just because you're a guy and she's accused you, you're a wife-beater! It's totally unfair! I'm a woman who fights for the rights of men wrongly accused of domestic violence, often with absolutely no evidence, just a stereo-typing society! So many of them lose everything! <3
I was hallucinating the night that I pushed my wife into a wall. What wasn't said was that she shoved me into the door, dislocating my shoulder. Women can be just as violent as men, and men get charged with assault, while women throw up the 'I'm a victim' card.

I had to read the police report to find out what happened.
 
#70
i have had many dealings with the police due to my mental health i am currently going through a court case due to the fact that i apparently threatened a police officer with a knife. i was terrifed i was hullicinating
i had taken a overdose. i later found out the only reason they arrested me was because they dident know what else to do. many of times the police have come to my house because i have tried to commit suicide. the only time they have helped is when i tried to jump of a car park roof which is quite a serious attempt for me as i had never gone that far before and they sectioned me (136) which has happened many of times before but they always let me go but this time they acturally helped me by sectioning me and put me in hospital. i have had good and bad dealing with the police by some of them have basicially been so rude to me and handcuffed me and literally pulled me down the stairs head first causing me to have a bruises on my face and legs.
the good ones have been that they have understood me and calmed me down and listerned when i said i cant have men touch me due to past truamas. overall most of the police have been ok but the bad experience have put me off ever being involved with the police again.
 

Kikyo

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A couple of months ago, I overdosed on some of my medications. I told my friend about it, who contacted the resident assistant (I love on-campus at a college). Then, the campus police came and waited for me until the college's ems arrived. They were very nice to me, and very helpful. Very kind, I'm glad the campus has such understanding, kind officers.
 

Underground

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Excuse my French, but HELL NO.

I would NEVER under ANY circumstances call the police OR 911 if myself or anybody was threatening or even tried to kill themselves. JUST TAKE THEM TO A HOSPITAL YOURSELF. The police will handcuff you, they will rough you up, and they will throw your ass in jail and charge you with anything they can get ahold of in a heartbeat. After all- that is kinda their job. =\
Although the police are guilty of mistreating the mentally ill sometimes, it's a bit unfair to generalise them all like that. Their job is to catch and prosecute criminals, that's true, but they also have a secondary role of ensuring peoples welfare. The only reason they're involved in MH-related incidents is because someone's mental health can effect their behaviour/personality and it would leave ambulance/medical staff at risk if they weren't involved to restrain and help convey people. That, however, isn't to say that the police should use every power in their arsenal to subdue a mentally ill person.
 

Megz

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I've had a couple of experiences personal and professional and I'm a bit 50/50 to be totally honest where the police and MH is concerened.

Personally speaking when I took and overdose and headed for the local cliffs in minus weather conditions and very little clothing I actually found them firm but fair. I was found by a member of the lifeboat crew who had been scrambled - on his way to the station he somehow managed to see me on the side of the road, on a grass verge, on an unlit road - and before passing out I had deliberately tried to crawl as far away from the road as I could. Even he said that he didn't know what made him look right there right then. Anyway I digress, the police were out looking for me on foot, in patrol cars, the dog section were called and the helicopter was out. When the lifeboat man (who by some stroke of luck was an RMN by day) alerted the police they arrived with an ambulance. I can't remember a lot I was in and out but I do remember, after being put into the ambulance, a police officer came up to me and asked me some questions, I couldn't really answer him but he asked my permission to turn me over to check the tattoo on my shoulder to ID me. He was straight to the point but not abrupt. When I was in A & E I came round a bit and in that post attempt self loathing I refused all treatment. A police sergeant came to talk to me with the Dr and told me again straight to the point but not unkindly, that if I didn't accept treatment I would be sectioned there and then and have no choice. He gave me half an hour to decide whether I was going to comply with them and allow medical treatment and following that, voluntary admission to the psychiatric unit. He said if I didn't agree, or tried to do a runner that I would be sectioned immediately. I agreed. He may of had some training or experience because my mother was there giving me the old "Look at all the money and resources you've wasted blah blah blah" and he turned to her and said that he hardly considered saving the life of a young woman to be a waste of anybody's resources, he said that himself and his team were in that job to help people and that he felt that they'd done their job by finding me and getting me to help. I found that touching considering that I felt totally worthless right then.

However I also worked wit EMI (elderly mentally ill) patients for a time we had illnesses ranging from Alzheimers and dementia to those who had suffered life long with bi polar, depression etc but who no longer had family to care for them or had come out of units at 65. When we needed hospital transfers, depending on the patient a member of staff would accompany the patient and sometimes a police escort would follow the ambulance. One patient I accompanied was treated very badly, they were actually trying to protect me from the threat that they perceived from the ambulance crew and became violent, the police forcibly restrained the person and removed me from the ambulance, I could hear them shouting that they would section them etc, this patient had absolutely no capacity to understand that. They wouldn't let me try and talk to them, or listen when I tried to explain why it was happening. I was there to escort the patient and to provide support yet when needed most I was removed and ignored. It put myself and the patient under unessential stress. This patient had a behavior cycle of 'protecting' young women who they considered were under threat from men, both ambulance crew were men, both police officers were men. We had dealt with this before on our unit and never had to restrain - rather talk the person round. This patient was being transferred for a medical condition and that condition, in my opinion (which might not be much I know) was considerably worsened by that incident. They never came out of hospital.

Ultimately I think the police are like all walks off life where MH is concerned - some understand and some don't, and it's the luck of the draw.:sparkle:
 

lightbeam

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My only run in before I received forcible treatment was with the cops during a domestic violence call. I was hallucinating, and shoved my exwife into the wall. I shoved my other wife to the ground outside. (I live in Utah, where I had two wives) We were on our way to the hospital for a readmittance. I had started hallucinating the day before all this happened.

Anyway, the second wife called the police, and I was still hallucinating. I actually stood up and hugged them both and said 'My angels have come to save me!' I was shuffled off to jail instead of a mental hospital, because I had been 'violent' with both wives.

I remember everything that happened for me. The police report was completely written by my 1st wife, saying that I came into the house, trying to lock wife #2 out. (What wasn't mentioned was the fact that something shoved me into the door and told me to 'let him in') I backed down and pushed this 'person' off me. (Apparently pushing a simple assault offense, and I didn't even know what the hell was ordering me to let him in.)

The two figures that I was hallucinating about were the exwives apparently. The 'angels' were the police. Of course none of this was mentioned in the police report.

All I know is that I woke up in jail the next morning.
 
#75
I've been the misfortune to have been detained on a section 136 3 times now but never for attempted suicide, funnily enough. The 1st time was last year and my girlfriend of 2 years had left me for a girl (she were bi), I was devastated so the way i coped was through harming myself. One day i was cleaning out my garage whilst the parents were away and i found a rock and sat by my garage and just tore at my skin with it, now it wasnt in open view but someone must've noticed because only like 15 minutes later two police came, a man and a woman and told me there was a welfare complaint made or something about me. I was surprised but i didnt care tbh, i was in one of those extremely numb mindsets where everything they said just went in one ear out of the other, but they weren't long grabbing hold of me and putting handcuffs on me (i was VERY pissed off) but they were actually alright to me once i calmed down. I was then driven to the local A+E department where they practically dumped after getting my blood pressure taken, etc. So i absconded and went home. I later got a call off the casualty department asking if i was alright and stuff.

I dont remember much of what happened during the 2nd time, i was acutely psychotic, so i only remember tidbits, but i was put on a section 2 afterwards. The 3rd time was during a mixed hypomanic and depressive phase (+ tipsey), and it was quite frankly the worst experience of my life. Most of the police that attended treated me like i was some dangerous criminal, i was handcuffed behind the back and put in velcro straps before being chucked into a riot van. The worst part is, it was in front of loads of people, but i was only a little resistant. I was taken to the nick and put in a cell straight away, i got so worked up that i ended up trying to punch in those little windows and cutting my knuckles, so the sadistic twats thought the solution was to strip all my clothes off me and put me on suicide watch with a policeman sitting on a chair outside of my cell, who turned out to be an alright bloke, he was a senior officer though, so obviously he was less gung-ho. We just talked really. It took hours and hours for the mental health team and my social worker to come, though. Again, I was sectioned.

I really hope i never come into contact with them again, I hate every second of it. Greater Manchester Police have a bit of a reputation for being cowboys a bit so it shouldnt surprise me but i hate it. I'd probably never call the police if a family member or friend was in a crisis simply because of what happened me the 3rd time.

As for CRB checks, i was recently rejected from a paid part time job position with St Johns Ambulance because of my 3rd section 136 although the other two times didnt show up. they didnt write anything under convictions/cautions but under the extra information part they said something along the lines of 'Christopher xxxxxxxx was reacting violently and with great resistant to treatment when he was detained under s.136 of the mental health act in December 2010'. so yeah this shit can come up. My application could not progress any further cuz i was found "unsuitable" so that was £30 wasted. In the future i'm only going for jobs which don't ask for extended CRB checks to save me disappointment.

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Shakatak

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I was thrown in remand for several hours. I called a suicide help line and the police turned up. (how nieve I was back then). I was sectioned, and taken to hospital. I wasn't able to leave for over a month. It couldn't have been worse.
 

Mr. Goldstein

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Police always act as if they rule the earth.. They always act like dickheads anyway..
Police follow whatever protocols they are asked to. So, if one has a problem with how police act, they have to take it up with politicians who support and authorize the protocols the police follow. Police don't make up their own rules, they follow the protocols the superiors tell them to.

So, when you vote for someone, find out what protocols they support regarding law enforcement.
 

QuadLazer

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Although the police are guilty of mistreating the mentally ill sometimes, it's a bit unfair to generalise them all like that. Their job is to catch and prosecute criminals, that's true, but they also have a secondary role of ensuring peoples welfare.
You said it yourself, SECONDARY. They don't give a shit about your welfare, they want to arrest you. That is their PRIMARY job. And without regular arrests they would not have a job.

Police follow whatever protocols they are asked to. So, if one has a problem with how police act, they have to take it up with politicians who support and authorize the protocols the police follow. Police don't make up their own rules, they follow the protocols the superiors tell them to.
lol
 

total eclipse

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sorry some police do not follow the protocal they set their own rules Yes some are caring some take time to ensure saftey but for the most i have seen they have been cruel It is a shame really because in any other profession they would be help accountable for the physical bruises the mental abuse that they cause. Not all are bad i agree and to the ones that care thank you
 

Mr. Goldstein

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sorry some police do not follow the protocal they set their own rules Yes some are caring some take time to ensure saftey but for the most i have seen they have been cruel It is a shame really because in any other profession they would be help accountable for the physical bruises the mental abuse that they cause. Not all are bad i agree and to the ones that care thank you
But you see, the protocols of law enforcement call for brutality: this is how they are trained in the two years of the police academy: today's police are just behaving how they are trained to behave. Today, the training has changed to a military-type training. Why did police not behave like this before 1980s? It's because their training was different back then. But today, the police are trained to be soldiers in the middle of a war: a very tough mentality. So again, I say it's not the police making up rules about how to deal with civilians, but rather it's how they are trained: the police are just doing what their superiors tell them to do. So, if one has a problem with it, their opposition should be directed at the politicians who create the protocols, not the police who are required to follow the protocols.

Imagine if politicians changed the protocols to one where police were required to be caring and loving. Soon, people would be complaining that cops give too many hugs to people!
 
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