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Who are these people with PhDs who are getting rich? *hysterical*hysterical*hysterical
Well, four years to get your undergrad degree. Around two to three years to get your Masters. And a number of people with a PhD have two Masters under their PhD. So that is extra time to get a second Masters. And the average time to be a PhD(c) is now around 5 to 7 years: with a 80% failure rate. Time you get your PhD, you could be in your mid-30's. Oddly, when you get a PhD, your first full time job you can be in your 30's. Then your in the labor force for around 30 years, unless you want to work past retirement age. But, on the other hand, the people who wants to get a PhD do come from old wealth families. If your going to budget the cost of having your son or daughter get a PhD, from pre-K to PhD -- your looking at 2 to 3 million dollars without blinking an eye. True, I am just looking at the modeling with the United States.
 

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Well, four years to get your undergrad degree. Around two to three years to get your Masters. And a number of people with a PhD have two Masters under their PhD. So that is extra time to get a second Masters. And the average time to be a PhD(c) is now around 5 to 7 years: with a 80% failure rate. Time you get your PhD, you could be in your mid-30's. Oddly, when you get a PhD, your first full time job you can be in your 30's. Then your in the labor force for around 30 years, unless you want to work past retirement age. But, on the other hand, the people who wants to get a PhD do come from old wealth families. If your going to budget the cost of having your son or daughter get a PhD, from pre-K to PhD -- your looking at 2 to 3 million dollars without blinking an eye. True, I am just looking at the modeling with the United States.
Nobody I know with a phd comes from wealth. Science PhDs typically get paid a nearly livable wage while they get their degree for doing research. And yeah, if you get your first properly paying job once you're past 30, your retirement account doesn't amount to shit, haha.
 
Nobody I know with a phd comes from wealth. Science PhDs typically get paid a nearly livable wage while they get their degree for doing research. And yeah, if you get your first properly paying job once you're past 30, your retirement account doesn't amount to shit, haha.
Well, with the rise of charter schools, the cost for an American to get a PhD is getting to be cost prohibitive. There are a number of charter schools around me. There is one charter school, were pre-K and K cost over $20,000 before your child gets into first grade. The other charter schools, they all cost over $17,000 per-year regardless of the grade your child is in. So, your over $238,000 for a high school education. Plus, the cost to drive your child back and forth to school. Plus, the after school activities. Plus, the traveling educational summer education. If you spent that much capital to get your child an education -- your not sending your child to a community college. If you want your child to get into grad school, so, if your looking at a GPA of 3.95 and higher -- you cannot really be working part-time during your university years. When you become a PhD(c), you might have to spend time in Europe for research. So, the cost keeps pilling up.

Sure, you could have a public education. Sure, you can go to a state university. Sure, you can do all your PhD(c) research within the United States. Sure, you can still get a PhD, but, how good is your PhD when your teaching at a community college, with first year subjects that are transfer to a four year college or university? Or, do you want a PhD and your at Harvard, Brown, Yale, and so on.
 

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My meeting with my advisor had to be pushed back to Thursday. Bad because I was looking forward to it, but good because my class was also canceled so now I don't have to go to campus at all tomorrow, and also more time to work on my project. So not quite sure what to think.
 

Tana

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Clearly not true for most of Europe...
Oh...I suppose I got something wrong then...
Perhaps it was mostly my country...I thought most would be like this though. Due to just how indirect this "democracy" is. Pretty pointless, most of the time. Also, sometimes votes get outright ignored.
 

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Oh...I suppose I got something wrong then...
Perhaps it was mostly my country...I thought most would be like this though. Due to just how indirect this "democracy" is. Pretty pointless, most of the time. Also, sometimes votes get outright ignored.
I think some parts of Europe are extremely into voting (like you're looked down on if you're not voting from as soon as you are legally able to) and others really don't care much (like you guys). Just depends on where you're from. I'm squashed between Canada and Mexico and all 3 of us have very different views on voting and we're all on the same continent.
 

Tana

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I think some parts of Europe are extremely into voting (like you're looked down on if you're not voting from as soon as you are legally able to) and others really don't care much (like you guys). Just depends on where you're from. I'm squashed between Canada and Mexico and all 3 of us have very different views on voting and we're all on the same continent.
Fair. Thanks for correcting.
 

sinking_ship

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Well, with the rise of charter schools, the cost for an American to get a PhD is getting to be cost prohibitive. There are a number of charter schools around me. There is one charter school, were pre-K and K cost over $20,000 before your child gets into first grade. The other charter schools, they all cost over $17,000 per-year regardless of the grade your child is in. So, your over $238,000 for a high school education. Plus, the cost to drive your child back and forth to school. Plus, the after school activities. Plus, the traveling educational summer education. If you spent that much capital to get your child an education -- your not sending your child to a community college. If you want your child to get into grad school, so, if your looking at a GPA of 3.95 and higher -- you cannot really be working part-time during your university years. When you become a PhD(c), you might have to spend time in Europe for research. So, the cost keeps pilling up.

Sure, you could have a public education. Sure, you can go to a state university. Sure, you can do all your PhD(c) research within the United States. Sure, you can still get a PhD, but, how good is your PhD when your teaching at a community college, with first year subjects that are transfer to a four year college or university? Or, do you want a PhD and your at Harvard, Brown, Yale, and so on.

None of this makes any sense. Honestly. And you are somehow both trying to look down on people with money, yet you're espousing all of those views here. I went to public school and got all 3 of my degrees from state schools. I did work part time during undergrad. Sorry, only a 3.84 GPA, but it got me into the best grad school in the country for my field. (and again I say, I did not pay for my grad school). A degree from Harvard or Yale might mean something in some circles, but certainly not mine. People with PhDs don't really get paid all that well, yanno, so if a family with money wants their kid to 'succeed' in some hoity-toity way, a PhD isn't the way to go.
 

Witty_Sarcasm

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It's hard to rely on what I've learned in therapy when I get into a bad mindset. So i'm trying to stop that before it escalates, or maybe I'll just go to bed. Nothing bad, just overthinking again.
 

HappyKitty

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What happened? :(
*hug
School stuffs as usual. I wasn't aware of how this term meant to be intense, tbh, its depression fault. Got me sleeping through it even if I did hit the deadline. Binga banga. This 2nd last term finishes 4 more weeks, everything flashes infront of my eyes then its fmp. I just been having mix feelings how my school is close to end. I need to work on preventing isolation more, I've been imaginging that I'm going to be alone forever. Its still goig to make me feel alone.
 

Tana

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School stuffs as usual. I wasn't aware of how this term meant to be intense, tbh, its depression fault. Got me sleeping through it even if I did hit the deadline. Binga banga. This 2nd last term finishes 4 more weeks, everything flashes infront of my eyes then its fmp. I just been having mix feelings how my school is close to end. I need to work on preventing isolation more, I've been imaginging that I'm going to be alone forever. Its still goig to make me feel alone.
You'll work after it...have coworkers and such. Other than that, can always visit a more friendly tight-knit bar and join in on their convo...who knows.
Sorry you're stressed out. *hug
 
That is absolutely ridiculous. Where do you get this stuff from? Seriously.
Lets see, there are charter schools around me. And with all three they are over $17,000 per-year. With pre-K to 12, your looking at $238,000 dollars. You have to drive your child to school and back, and one of the parents really work full time. Plus, the cost to give your child everything for education, books, computers, cell phones. Then you have the cost of extra educational activities like vacations to enrich your child's education. Like trips to Washington DC, historical places like Civil War battlefields.

Then there is college, and if you want your child to get on the Deans list: do you really want your child working part-time? Sure, your child can work 20 hours a week making tips and busing tables. But, that is 20 hours from studies to get a higher GPA. Are you going to let your child starve - no. Are you going to make sure you child has a car - yes.

Then there is grad school, and your child can do research any place you want. But, if your going into say Mid-Evil Europe, it would be hard to do research if your not in Europe for research. There is travel you have to do, and air flights, hotels, places you have to spend.

I am looking at the cost of everything, from the cup of coffee to the top notch cost of a university degree(s).
 

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