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Therapy round 2
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They're screening me for autism and other neuro-garbage in a couple of months (will come back negative, but my family keeps saying that it will help somehow), but I haven't seen any professionals since last spring. No chems or therapy since last spring or thereabouts. Thanks for asking.
Which methodology is it?
Which methodology is it?
Just to clarify, when it comes to the actual practice of psychoanalysis, as opposed to the model used in research, it's more commonly referred to as the psychoanalytic "approach" or "technique". Most often four aspects make up the psychoanalytic technique: interpretation, transference analysis, technical neutrality, and countertransference analysis. I would consider this a "method" but if you're interested in looking into it yourself, you'll find these terms are often used interchangeably.
Therapists today mostly use the Rogerian, client-centred approach which I find a bit nebulous and lacking in direction, whereas psychoanalysis is much more challenging. But it really is all down to what works for each individual and where they are in their own lives. The Rogerian approach clearly has many benefits. The person centred model strengthens the relationship between client and the therapist, helping the client feel more comfortable and so more open to discuss their true feelings; an integral part of the therapist’s role is to help the individual to feel understood and accepted. The client also plays a key role during the therapy but it is up to the therapist to encourage the client to work through his or her own feelings, helping the client to understand his or her own thoughts on their condition. Key to this is the idea that “the individual knows his own personality and problems far better than the therapist ever can, and it’s the therapists job to encourage the individual to proceed on a self-determinative basis” This is all very commendable of course, but it relies upon the willingness of the therapist to spend, quite often, a considerable period of time waiting for a breakthrough to be made”. A criticism here would be the potential for prolonging of the very symptoms that the client has come to therapy for and the lack of discouraging these conditions by the therapist, which only serves to validate this behaviour and instil in the client a belief that the negative patterns of behaviour are in fact effective and viable responses. Although the passage of time plays an important role in any psychotherapeutic approach, for some clients this passage of time offers them a chance to stall, in that they can believe themselves to be making progress, since they are undergoing therapy, but can also avoid any uncomfortable or upsetting areas up for discussion by placing the therapy in a kind of holding pattern.
Of course any form of therapy, to be effective, takes resolute commitment from both therapist and client. But it's well known that Psychoanalytic therapies are hard work. I tried psychoanalysis years ago and hated it. I've also read plenty about what a "dead" school of thought it is. But it is often still recommended by psychiatrists when they see for themselves that you're impossible to argue with. The problem is your own arguments for self-annihilation and other-annihilation actually make sense. That's when they send in the big guns.
Therapists today mostly use the Rogerian, client-centred approach which I find a bit nebulous and lacking in direction, whereas psychoanalysis is much more challenging. But it really is all down to what works for each individual and where they are in their own lives. The Rogerian approach clearly has many benefits. The person centred model strengthens the relationship between client and the therapist, helping the client feel more comfortable and so more open to discuss their true feelings; an integral part of the therapist’s role is to help the individual to feel understood and accepted. The client also plays a key role during the therapy but it is up to the therapist to encourage the client to work through his or her own feelings, helping the client to understand his or her own thoughts on their condition. Key to this is the idea that “the individual knows his own personality and problems far better than the therapist ever can, and it’s the therapists job to encourage the individual to proceed on a self-determinative basis” This is all very commendable of course, but it relies upon the willingness of the therapist to spend, quite often, a considerable period of time waiting for a breakthrough to be made”. A criticism here would be the potential for prolonging of the very symptoms that the client has come to therapy for and the lack of discouraging these conditions by the therapist, which only serves to validate this behaviour and instil in the client a belief that the negative patterns of behaviour are in fact effective and viable responses. Although the passage of time plays an important role in any psychotherapeutic approach, for some clients this passage of time offers them a chance to stall, in that they can believe themselves to be making progress, since they are undergoing therapy, but can also avoid any uncomfortable or upsetting areas up for discussion by placing the therapy in a kind of holding pattern.
Of course any form of therapy, to be effective, takes resolute commitment from both therapist and client. But it's well known that Psychoanalytic therapies are hard work. I tried psychoanalysis years ago and hated it. I've also read plenty about what a "dead" school of thought it is. But it is often still recommended by psychiatrists when they see for themselves that you're impossible to argue with. The problem is your own arguments for self-annihilation and other-annihilation actually make sense. That's when they send in the big guns.
“I'm an 'intelligent' sociopath. I don't have problems with drugs, I don't commit crimes, I don't take pleasure in hurting people, and I don't typically have relationship problems. I do have a complete lack of empathy. But I consider that an advantage, most of the time. Do I know the difference between right and wrong, and do I want to be good? Sure. ... A peaceful and orderly world is a more comfortable world for me to live in. So do I avoid breaking the law because it's 'right'? No, I avoid breaking the law because it makes sense.”
― M. E. Thomas, Confessions of a Sociopath: A Life Spent Hiding in Plain Sight
― M. E. Thomas, Confessions of a Sociopath: A Life Spent Hiding in Plain Sight
“The toxic behaviors were there before you decided to enter into relationships with them. The signs were there. You may have chosen to look the other way, but the signs were there.—Psychotherapist from Type 1 Sociopath”
― P.A. Speers, Type 1 Sociopath - When Difficult People Are More Than Just Difficult People
― P.A. Speers, Type 1 Sociopath - When Difficult People Are More Than Just Difficult People
When hitting an opponent with an atomic breath isn't enough, Godzilla can resort to a nuclear pulse, which causes energy to emit from his body in all directions. This way, Godzilla can take out anything that's in the immediate vicinity.
My therapist tells me Godzilla is not a good role model. So the battle wages on in my psyche.
My therapist tells me Godzilla is not a good role model. So the battle wages on in my psyche.
I don't know why I bother to write this here, I'm not expecting anyone to read it. I was recently hospitalized but doing ok now, for what it's worth. The next time i won't be discharged home.
I just want to say thanks to the couple of peeps who were decent. It's humiliating to come on here and I can't even make a donation. But that's the point. It's punishment you see. It's nothing to do with the lip service about giving stuff away or you can come here just to vent, talk, whatever. No nothing like that, it's a control thing. They really should let people delete all their stuff and delete their account. It will be like I was never here.
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I just want to say thanks to the couple of peeps who were decent. It's humiliating to come on here and I can't even make a donation. But that's the point. It's punishment you see. It's nothing to do with the lip service about giving stuff away or you can come here just to vent, talk, whatever. No nothing like that, it's a control thing. They really should let people delete all their stuff and delete their account. It will be like I was never here.
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I'm not doing better L. I have NO support here or anywhere. Everything i did was a complete waste of fucking time and people bail when things get tough like they always do, and then humiliate me. What a fucking waste of time, effort and money this whole thing was. Putting effort in to thread nobody cared about or ran and hid as soon as I asked them to think for once outside their tiny echo chambers. I have no respect for cowards or spineless wimps who run a mile at the first hint of trouble. Oh NOOOOOOO she' angry. Guess What?? people get angry. Not one person here ever tried to understand me. People are fucking pieces of shit. A ton of drugs and alcohol should do the trick right now and who the fuck cares. I said mean words to a few people once, right? I should be strung up with Donald Trump.
I'm not ranting at you L, you were always nice to me but this place is just a joke to me. It's drives me to suicide not the other way around.
I'm not ranting at you L, you were always nice to me but this place is just a joke to me. It's drives me to suicide not the other way around.
You know when you realize something was a complete waste? It's just so utterly soul-destroying. Therapy is a waste of time. People are all users. This place is a waste of time unless I'm dishing out the red pills that no one wants to hear but secretly they remember them. My affective empathy is for shit so I've had to work extra hard to compensate. ASPD isn't as much fun when you hit your 30s.
If a therapist isn't experienced in ASPD ,they shouldn't be wasting your time ,,ASPD and BPD whats the difference ?
Ive pretty much figured myself out and all its left is a monster depression and guilt.
Is being overwhelmed with emotions and feelings an ASPD symptom ?.
I've realised that waste feeling in myself ,very dangerous,,all my self help for nothing, made me worse .as on guy I listen to ,,he calls it mental masterbation .
Ive pretty much figured myself out and all its left is a monster depression and guilt.
Is being overwhelmed with emotions and feelings an ASPD symptom ?.
I've realised that waste feeling in myself ,very dangerous,,all my self help for nothing, made me worse .as on guy I listen to ,,he calls it mental masterbation .
ASPD is quite different to BPD but they both fall into the cluster B category. I requested my file through the freedom of information act a few years back.
ASPD can't be diagnosed before age 18 and before then there must be a consistent pattern of conduct disorder, e.g. starting fights, starting fires, stealing, cruelty to animals, pathological lying. I was diagnosed at age 20 using the SCIID-II method and was court-ordered for treatment for a year. I was scored across the following 7 items:
1. grossly selfish
2. callous
3. irresponsible
4. impulsive
5. unable to feel guilt
6. inability to learn from experience and punishment
7. low frustration tolerance.
These are then examined in terms a personality-oriented factor and a behavior-oriented factor
So let's take the behaviour-oriented angle on some of the ASPD items to establish a pattern of disregarding others’ rights: Item 1 as expressed through a failure to conform, Item 4 as expressed through aggressiveness and Item 3 & 5 as an expressed through reckless disregard. When I did the test you had to fulfill at least five of the following seven behaviors but I think with the DSM-V it's at least three:
1.Failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors, as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest
2. Deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure
3. Impulsivity or failure to plan ahead
4. Irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults
5. Reckless disregard for safety of self or others
6. Consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations
7. Lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent or rationalizing
Ain't I just a wonderful human being?
ASPD can't be diagnosed before age 18 and before then there must be a consistent pattern of conduct disorder, e.g. starting fights, starting fires, stealing, cruelty to animals, pathological lying. I was diagnosed at age 20 using the SCIID-II method and was court-ordered for treatment for a year. I was scored across the following 7 items:
1. grossly selfish
2. callous
3. irresponsible
4. impulsive
5. unable to feel guilt
6. inability to learn from experience and punishment
7. low frustration tolerance.
These are then examined in terms a personality-oriented factor and a behavior-oriented factor
So let's take the behaviour-oriented angle on some of the ASPD items to establish a pattern of disregarding others’ rights: Item 1 as expressed through a failure to conform, Item 4 as expressed through aggressiveness and Item 3 & 5 as an expressed through reckless disregard. When I did the test you had to fulfill at least five of the following seven behaviors but I think with the DSM-V it's at least three:
1.Failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors, as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest
2. Deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure
3. Impulsivity or failure to plan ahead
4. Irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults
5. Reckless disregard for safety of self or others
6. Consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations
7. Lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent or rationalizing
Ain't I just a wonderful human being?