Who's suicidal because they can't get laid?

[Abacus21]

Righty dokey.

Granted, this subject is getting people's emotions heated, quite clearly - and, depending on how you look at it, there's a good reason for that.
That said, rather than criticise the OP for his remarks, as some have said, at least he was being honest - that's comendable and a brave thing to be.

To Pit, I'd much rather if you didn't make those sorts of comments, as it serves no purpose other than to irritate members, as can be seen, and insult people.
To Dave_N, anyone who is suicidal, no matter what their problem is, is not stupidity - they're hurting and in pain. It is not your, nor anyone else's, place to judge their intelligence, or to judge how their problem is, in relation to others'.
This is a support forum, and no problems are arranged in any sort of hierarchy - they're all on the same level - if a person is depressed / suicidal / hurting over a problem, then it takes exactly the same priority as the next person's. Just because you don't feel that it warrants attention, and is ''stupid'', doesn't mean that it is. It clearly isn't to the OP, therefore it isn't.

 

[ybt]

Nobody is suicidal because they can't have sex. It's combined with other personality problems.

 

[Axiom]

Maybe it is because you think like that, that you are suicidal. You're disgusting and don't ever deserve a women. You look at women as fuck toys right?
Well thank God you are alone.

haha

???

Oh common.. now i understand where you're comeing from but.. DAMMMNNN..

yeah hey, guys.. like to fuck women. Kinda a major part of our bodies. Deprive that, you're depriveing a massive part of us. Couple that with other massive deprived aspects, feelings of self worthlessness, other such feelings, you get a massive spiral effect. And if you're old enough, your hormones are rageing and oh yes, sex and the desire to fuck a girl is oging to be in your damn head and over and through your body and like it or not, its going to be in your thoughts, coupled with all forms of depressive feelings.

Sometimes suicidal thoughts and sexual thoughts become associated and when one feels a sexual urge of any form and knows they can't get any they have a walked path to sucide, a very quick path they slide own. The more the walk it, the muddeier the path gets, and sometimes the world tips and you slide down shit like that.

Chillax. Seriously. You've got some issues of your own Blackness, and what you just wrote,.. we're not out to define women and make you our sex slaves( but damn, id love a sex slave :wink. You know.. dont let one event(s) or feeling(s) define everything that's associated with aspects of that event.

 

[historyteach]

This question is geared towards the guys obviously. I guess the female equivalent would be "Who's suicidal because they can't get a boyfriend?"

Balogna!
What a bunch of sexist nonsense!
So, guys don't want a steady g/f and gals don't want to get laid, huh?
We're talking about human beings.
Each one an individual with individual wants, needs and desires.
Generalizations like that which started this discussion is pure nonsense, and adds nothing to any discussion.

Peace!

 

[Esmeralda]

O.K. For the record, any woman is going to smel that chauvinism wafting off of you like you've been bathing in a sewer. You know the guys with all the girls? Well, most of them actually love women. Not necessarily LOVE as in, being "in love", but they like other things about women than simply seeing them as sex objects. Look at all the famous lovers of the past- Don Juan, Ruldolph Valentino, Cassanove. All of these men (while having thousands of lovers) truly loved everything about women, their wit, their minds, their smell, the curves of their bodies, their voices, etc., etc. Even though they were not exactly "one-women men", women could sense that they truly had a passion for all things female, not just the sexual aspect of them. Your misogyny is palpable.

 

[Veclord]

This thread is beyond ironic for a few reasons. One is because women want sex just as much as men do. Desire is hard-wired into our bodies and no amount of lying or denying it will ever change that. The difference is that women don't want sex the same way that men do and they want it for different reasons. Being suicidal because of a lack of sex? I can't judge on that. But judging a person for having a sex drive is definitely stupid and naive. You might as well beat him down for being born a man (as some of you already have).

And as far as I'm concerned, anyone who's browsed the internet for any considerable amount of time and hasn't looked at pornography in some form is a liar.

 

[Nocturnal Ponderer]

I think the original poster is actually, at a sub conscious level, just depressed and low at not being accepted.
I think he equates sex as acceptance by women. It would boost his ego, and therefore give him self worth and value if a woman openly wanted to have sex with him.

Never mind having friends as being acceptance.

Romantic love, and sex, is a different kind of acceptance. I see where he is coming from, although I don't have his trouble myself.

However, before anybody else can value you, you have to value yourself.

 

[ProperlyLast]

Being suicidal because you're not getting laid is a stupid reason to want to die.

Well I hope that my reasons for wanting to die are popular enough on this website that if I try to talk about them I won't be berated and told I am wrong and stupid and a rapist and misguided and all the other insults any of you could not possibly stop hurling.

Wanting sex isn't bad. Yes there are a lot of women on this site who were raped, but I used to really want sex too, and I never raped anyone. In fact, did you ever consider that it is his unwillingness to ever try to take advantage of a woman that contributed to him being sexless? Does that even make sense to you? He ISN'T getting laid, and you hate him for it?

I won't apologize. I had a great woman whom my entire relationship with was sex. I never hurt her. I never lied to her. I always treated her with absolute respect and I brought her gifts, and we talked and watched movies and danced and went out, but our relationship was 95% sex. It didn't go much further than that. I didn't regret it, and neither did she. We made each other feel good. We just weren't playing head games with each other, which is my number 1 reason why I don't like "relationships," we never hurt each other. You can't tell me that was bad. You can't tell someone they won't enjoy it.

 

[painsource]

You look at women as fuck toys right?

Are they anything else?If so what?Just kidding:biggrin:Women have it too easy though.Because television gave them too high of self esteem.For every man theres a women for every women theres like 4 million dudes.No matter how repulsive she looks.Women cant relate to this problem.

 

[cupiononesse]

I'm not sure if this thread should be locked because of incredibly offensive views (expressed by both sides), or stickied because of the amazing thoughtfulness of one or two of the answers (and the way it manages to turn sadness into pure blistering rage ).

Interesting debate.

I agree that sex can be viewed as acceptance, and I'm also wondering how some people managed to get site buddy status. I doubt that the original poster intended his meaning as misogynist - I suspect that some parts were simply not important enough to his worldview for him to examine how they properly came across. His hatred, if he has any, is clearly directed inwards - the title reads like an extremely bitter joke ffs, and although he has the wrong attitude to modern life, I'd say approximately 1% of all people (at most) have the correct attitude in terms of feminism/post-feminist ideas. We're all alone in the world...we're all making it up as we go along. Even if he hasn't learnt some facts or how to express himself clearly, that's no reason to push him over the edge with offensive language - every human life, even the killer's is worth something.

Final thought: Imagine this poster was your friend; he's crying in the corner one day, and you ask him what's wrong. He replies that no woman will ever have him, and it makes him feel like crap all day every day, then goes on a small rant. Do you (a) assume he means everything he says, slap him and hand him a noose, or (b) give him a hug (or a pat on the back and vaguely comforting words if you're like me lol). Where's the goddamn humanity in this goddamn forum?

Woah essay much...sorry. I hope this persuades people to respond in a more constructive way...ugh very likely ("Internet, could you not be mean for 3 seconds put together?"). You don't have to accept, but tolerate.

 

[Esmeralda]

I'm not sure if this thread should be locked because of incredibly offensive views (expressed by both sides), or stickied because of the amazing thoughtfulness of one or two of the answers (and the way it manages to turn sadness into pure blistering rage ).

Interesting debate.

I agree that sex can be viewed as acceptance, and I'm also wondering how some people managed to get site buddy status. I doubt that the original poster intended his meaning as misogynist - I suspect that some parts were simply not important enough to his worldview for him to examine how they properly came across. His hatred, if he has any, is clearly directed inwards - the title reads like an extremely bitter joke ffs, and although he has the wrong attitude to modern life, I'd say approximately 1% of all people (at most) have the correct attitude in terms of feminism/post-feminist ideas. We're all alone in the world...we're all making it up as we go along. Even if he hasn't learnt some facts or how to express himself clearly, that's no reason to push him over the edge with offensive language - every human life, even the killer's is worth something.

Final thought: Imagine this poster was your friend; he's crying in the corner one day, and you ask him what's wrong. He replies that no woman will ever have him, and it makes him feel like crap all day every day, then goes on a small rant. Do you (a) assume he means everything he says, slap him and hand him a noose, or (b) give him a hug (or a pat on the back and vaguely comforting words if you're like me lol). Where's the goddamn humanity in this goddamn forum?

Woah essay much...sorry. I hope this persuades people to respond in a more constructive way...ugh very likely ("Internet, could you not be mean for 3 seconds put together?"). You don't have to accept, but tolerate.

I think there's a huge grey area between slapping the poster and handing him a rope and hugging him and giving him a slice of cake for saying he wants to use a woman as a human tubesock. Come on. HE's wrong and needs to gain some perspective. Once he does that, he will find much greater success with women and the world in general. Constructive criticism is the key here.

 

[An Angel in Black]

I'm not sure if this thread should be locked because of incredibly offensive views (expressed by both sides), or stickied because of the amazing thoughtfulness of one or two of the answers (and the way it manages to turn sadness into pure blistering rage ).

Interesting debate.

I agree that sex can be viewed as acceptance, and I'm also wondering how some people managed to get site buddy status. I doubt that the original poster intended his meaning as misogynist - I suspect that some parts were simply not important enough to his worldview for him to examine how they properly came across. His hatred, if he has any, is clearly directed inwards - the title reads like an extremely bitter joke ffs, and although he has the wrong attitude to modern life, I'd say approximately 1% of all people (at most) have the correct attitude in terms of feminism/post-feminist ideas. We're all alone in the world...we're all making it up as we go along. Even if he hasn't learnt some facts or how to express himself clearly, that's no reason to push him over the edge with offensive language - every human life, even the killer's is worth something.

Final thought: Imagine this poster was your friend; he's crying in the corner one day, and you ask him what's wrong. He replies that no woman will ever have him, and it makes him feel like crap all day every day, then goes on a small rant. Do you (a) assume he means everything he says, slap him and hand him a noose, or (b) give him a hug (or a pat on the back and vaguely comforting words if you're like me lol). Where's the goddamn humanity in this goddamn forum?

Woah essay much...sorry. I hope this persuades people to respond in a more constructive way...ugh very likely ("Internet, could you not be mean for 3 seconds put together?"). You don't have to accept, but tolerate.

Id like to make it perfectly clear where i stand on this, cause of the conflicting thoughts and what not. 1st of all, i am looking forward to getting rid of my virginity. sex isnt a bad thing, as a matter of fact its the supreme sacrifice and surrender of your body for someone you love which is very beautiful and romantic. but i am not going to make love to just anyone, which is why im still a virgin, i want to find my one true love. so ive got nothing wrong with craving sex, because i do and so does the rest of the human race, its human. its a way to feel accepted, which is something all humans lone for. but i dont just say everything that pops to mind, im very careful what i say as a matter of fact. there was nothing wrong with his craving of sex, but the language he used when doing so was a little...well... grunt had he said it a different way it wouldnt have sounded so bad, all im saying is you wouldnt bring a blue collar attitude with you to a white collared event and vise versa. sure he was honest, and it probably took a lot of courage for that, so i commend him on that. he didnt sound like he was a bad person at all, you cannot condem a man or a woman for craving sex, it is the most beautiful thing a man and a woman can have, the ultimate bond of love, the supreme sacrifice, etc.. and im not going to lie, i crave it as well, but not the sex itself, but the feeling of being loved more than anyone else by one person, which is why i said i need a girlfriend for emotional support more than anything else.but im too ugly..:sad: do not believe everything you hear ladies and gentlemen; but think for yourselves. the media has brainwashed almost everyone into a more politically correct state of mind, the government wants to take away human emotion, human feeling, and control us like sheep to the slaughter. which is why sex has become such a fragile topic to touch. it is nothing more than love, just in the physical form, because sometimes words just arent enough to express how you feel about someone. overall, i do not condem him, just wish he would have used slightly more polite of a dialect when reffereing to women, thats all.

 

[An Angel in Black]

I'm not sure if this thread should be locked because of incredibly offensive views (expressed by both sides), or stickied because of the amazing thoughtfulness of one or two of the answers (and the way it manages to turn sadness into pure blistering rage ).

Interesting debate.

I agree that sex can be viewed as acceptance, and I'm also wondering how some people managed to get site buddy status. I doubt that the original poster intended his meaning as misogynist - I suspect that some parts were simply not important enough to his worldview for him to examine how they properly came across. His hatred, if he has any, is clearly directed inwards - the title reads like an extremely bitter joke ffs, and although he has the wrong attitude to modern life, I'd say approximately 1% of all people (at most) have the correct attitude in terms of feminism/post-feminist ideas. We're all alone in the world...we're all making it up as we go along. Even if he hasn't learnt some facts or how to express himself clearly, that's no reason to push him over the edge with offensive language - every human life, even the killer's is worth something.

Final thought: Imagine this poster was your friend; he's crying in the corner one day, and you ask him what's wrong. He replies that no woman will ever have him, and it makes him feel like crap all day every day, then goes on a small rant. Do you (a) assume he means everything he says, slap him and hand him a noose, or (b) give him a hug (or a pat on the back and vaguely comforting words if you're like me lol). Where's the goddamn humanity in this goddamn forum?

Woah essay much...sorry. I hope this persuades people to respond in a more constructive way...ugh very likely ("Internet, could you not be mean for 3 seconds put together?"). You don't have to accept, but tolerate.

Id like to make it perfectly clear where i stand on this, cause of the conflicting thoughts and what not. 1st of all, i am looking forward to getting rid of my virginity. sex isnt a bad thing, as a matter of fact its the supreme sacrifice and surrender of your body for someone you love which is very beautiful and romantic. but i am not going to make love to just anyone, which is why im still a virgin, i want to find my one true love. so ive got nothing wrong with craving sex, because i do and so does the rest of the human race, its human. its a way to feel accepted, which is something all humans lone for. but i dont just say everything that pops to mind, im very careful what i say as a matter of fact. there was nothing wrong with his craving of sex, but the language he used when doing so was a little...well... grunt had he said it a different way it wouldnt have sounded so bad, all im saying is you wouldnt bring a blue collar attitude with you to a white collared event and vise versa. sure he was honest, and it probably took a lot of courage for that, so i commend him on that. he didnt sound like he was a bad person at all, you cannot condem a man or a woman for craving sex, it is the most beautiful thing a man and a woman can have, the ultimate bond of love, the supreme sacrifice, etc.. and im not going to lie, i crave it as well, but not the sex itself, but the feeling of being loved more than anyone else by one person, which is why i said i need a girlfriend for emotional support more than anything else.but im too ugly..:sad: do not believe everything you hear ladies and gentlemen; but think for yourselves. the media has brainwashed almost everyone into a more politically correct state of mind, the government wants to take away human emotion, human feeling, and control us like sheep to the slaughter. which is why sex has become such a fragile topic to touch. it is nothing more than love, just in the physical form, because sometimes words just arent enough to express how you feel about someone. overall, i do not condem him, just wish he would have used slightly more polite of a dialect when reffereing to women, thats all.

 

[Random]

It's a shame there are still some people out there who just think about sex. ¬_¬;

Well, actually, sex is the whole point of existance. If you really analyze it, it seems the only purpose for our being is to reproduce (and facilitate reproduction). Men have what is referred to as "a one track mind" for a reason. We're supposed to. Women have other priorities but they, too, are wired for selecting a mate and reproduction. Men are just natural wanderers. The behavior wouldn't be so widespread if it weren't a natural tendency. We will never evolve beyond the desire for sex. It's at the core of what we are.

 

[cupiononesse]

I think there's a huge grey area between slapping the poster and handing him a rope and hugging him and giving him a slice of cake for saying he wants to use a woman as a human tubesock. Come on. HE's wrong and needs to gain some perspective. Once he does that, he will find much greater success with women and the world in general. Constructive criticism is the key here.

My point was that criticism given on this forum was NOT constructive, and that perhaps emotion made him say things that he didn't mean. You seem to repeatedly and deliberately misinterpret people. Nowhere did I endorse his views in my comment. The act of hugging is an endorsement of a human being not the transitional and often irrelevant speech of that human. If I wanted to endorse what he said I'd be a dick. If I want to say I understand why he said what he said I'd be a human.
Using a woman as a human tubesock?
Surely if he's not getting laid he has the option of paying for it if that's all he wanted. As has been pointed out countless times affirmation is important for everyone. This is what is being looked for.
In addition, what I wanted was for everyone to take a step back and listen and respond to the guy like they were encountering him in real life, not as if he had thought through and articulated his true stance on some flame war over the internet.

 

[Abacus21]

He's wrong in your opinion, Anastasia.
I'm not saying I'm agreeing with him, I'm not saying I'm not, but as I posted a couple of pages back, at least he's honest about it.
Rather than everyone flaming him, give him space and let him talk!

 

[Esmeralda]

My point was that criticism given on this forum was NOT constructive, and that perhaps emotion made him say things that he didn't mean. You seem to repeatedly and deliberately misinterpret people. Nowhere did I endorse his views in my comment. The act of hugging is an endorsement of a human being not the transitional and often irrelevant speech of that human. If I wanted to endorse what he said I'd be a dick. If I want to say I understand why he said what he said I'd be a human.
Using a woman as a human tubesock?
Surely if he's not getting laid he has the option of paying for it if that's all he wanted. As has been pointed out countless times affirmation is important for everyone. This is what is being looked for.
In addition, what I wanted was for everyone to take a step back and listen and respond to the guy like they were encountering him in real life, not as if he had thought through and articulated his true stance on some flame war over the internet.

This was not a one time thing for this guy. As you can see above, this person repeatedly talks about women in this way. You say I should talk to him as if this were real life? If this were real life and not a suicide forum, I would have a hell of a lot more to say about it. The fact is, if this guy does not work to change his perception of women, he is going to have limited success in the romance department. Women aren't just going to fall into bed with someone who has no interest in anything other than sex.

And don't give me this bull that it's all about being "accepted". If he wanted to be "accepted", he would be talking about friends and friendships, not about merely getting laid and viewing every woman he comes into contact with as a walking sex toy. This is about getting off.

 

[pit]

.

Chillax.


I'll have to use that word more often.:laugh:

 

[Ed.]

Hi. I have no problem in "getting laid", but that itself would be my problem. I hate casual sex. I see no pleasure in it. I've turned down many people, just cos I simply can't be bothered with the whole, yeah were drunk as fuck in a bar or club, you wanna fuck me, hey yeah lets go back to my flat, oh yeah have a night of what is actually SHIT sex cos were both fucked out of our faces, wake up next morning and be all fucking awkward then just fuck off. Infact, thats the best bit, the walk home in the morning thinking yeah I got laid, but then its like after that, what the fuck was that for, I dont feel better for it now. Fuck im too fucking emotional, I need love to have great sex. Fucking cant find that in this fucked up city. fuck.

 

[Random]

This was not a one time thing for this guy. As you can see above, this person repeatedly talks about women in this way. You say I should talk to him as if this were real life? If this were real life and not a suicide forum, I would have a hell of a lot more to say about it. The fact is, if this guy does not work to change his perception of women, he is going to have limited success in the romance department. Women aren't just going to fall into bed with someone who has no interest in anything other than sex.

Well, I wouldn't say there's anyone who has no interest in anything other than sex. Everyone has other interests. But there's a fundamental honesty in the statement that the typical man's mind is ALWAYS "in the gutter" so to speak. I don't care what they say or how they say it, most men are thinking about sex most of the time. I'm a man. I've been around other males all my life. I know. A "wholesome" man is the equivalent of an honest politician. They don't exist.

Now of course many men want love and companionship and all of that. But at the center of it all, there is sex. I know some people won't agree and think it isn't so but at 34, I've never known a male who wasn't obsessed with sex in some way or another.

And don't give me this bull that it's all about being "accepted". If he wanted to be "accepted", he would be talking about friends and friendships, not about merely getting laid and viewing every woman he comes into contact with as a walking sex toy. This is about getting off.

And if it is? Some people need that. I will say that personally, I can do without a sex partner forever. But some people need a real person. I don't know why but if that's something that is within them, it's a pretty real problem for them and there's probably not much anyone else can say that they haven't thought of. I do think the OP was just looking for someone to hear his problems. And probably almost everyone here has their own problems. Don't they? None of us can snap our fingers and make our issues disappear or we wouldn't be here.

Thinking of women as "fuck toys" isn't the most admirable thing in the world but I'll tell you. Most men have probably thought of women or A woman that way at some point. I'm ashamed of it now but I have many years ago. The process of coming to realize that's the wrong way to look at it can take a while and a person has to come to that realization in their own way. Sometimes people get fantasy confused with reality. In a fantasy, you don't have to think about anyone's thoughts and feelings but your own. Because whoever the person is in the fantasy isn't a real person. So you're not hurting anyone to think of them that way or to imagine them being treated that way. It's when someone confuses a real person with a fantasy that problems emerge. Real people do have feelings. I haven't read many of the guy's posts so I don't know what context he made that particular statement in. But I can't and won't condemn him for it. I think (almost) everyone eventually comes around.