Do people really enjoy existing?

[ChimeraMonster]

I mean, do they really? How can someone enjoy life? Like, the normal life. Wake up, work 9-5, 5 days a week, go home, take care of things, take care of other people, go to sleep, wake up go to work...
I understand people finding one or two moments on their existence fun, but is it worth it? is it worth all this time and effort?
I am really thinking if we didn't just gaslight our whole species into thinking that, because it REALLY seems like it. And don't take me wrong, I have known love, I have known joy, I have known existence for all these years, and I have found that its... empty, lacking. Nothing could make it worth it, and I tried. Oh gods I tried.
After a while I begun to think the problem is just me, right? because its impossible EVERYONE be feeling like me and just go on, right? Then I find more and more and more people like me, and nothing makes sense. We basically continue on because society wants. Not because any of us want it. Its always for others. For my parents, my friends, for my partner...

Once my mother told me "having children made it all worth it". And it got me thinking, do it really? or is it more gaslighting? I find myself shudder on the though of bringing another living being into this mess. It's egoistic at least and cruel at most to put your whole life meaning and purpose into another beings existence.

In the end, I wake up thinking, should I really stay in this place? And I will go to sleep still without an answer.
Well, thank you for reading, and tell me, do you think we just gaslit ourselves into wanting this as a species?

 

[seabird]

I wake up thinking, should I really stay in this place? And I will go to sleep still without an answer.

Same for me @TheChimeraMonster .

I have similar concerns, no answers to questions which continue to bubble up in my mind. I can only respond by giving myself and others compassion. Human's and their societies in general need to move past shame and linear, hierarchical thinking, once and for all.

 

[Lexy-Time Waster]

all the ducklings, all the turtles, kittens, all the instinctual mating and critters protecting their young, theres no point to any of it. if we start at the food source the circle will eventually lead to us and these thoughts may switch over to survival mode. lets test it

 

[ChimeraMonster]

all the ducklings, all the turtles, kittens, all the instinctual mating and critters protecting their young, theres no point to any of it. if we start at the food source the circle will eventually lead to us and these thoughts may switch over to survival mode. lets test it

Do you think ducklings and turtles and kittens have to worry about meaning? I wonder if they too had these questions once.

Talking about survival mode. Its something I lived with for 3 years, I do not recommend. You cease dealing with things, you cease thinking, everything turn into a mess, you lose control of every single relationship you ever had, everything you do is based on urgency and basic needs. It made me live in a hoarding situation with trash up the walls almost.

 

[puffymilk]

I've been wondering about the same thing... but it's more like, why am I put on this earth? Is it because I have purpose in this life? Things like that.

 

[ChimeraMonster]

Same for me @TheChimeraMonster .

I have similar concerns, no answers to questions which continue to bubble up in my mind. I can only respond by giving myself and others compassion. Human's and their societies in general need to move past shame and linear, hierarchical thinking, once and for all.

But will it change anything? Will it change the meaning of this? or it will still be like that anyway?
Because I feel that even if we remove the hierarchy life will still be like this anyway.

 

[ChimeraMonster]

I've been wondering about the same thing... but it's more like, why am I put on this earth? Is it because I have purpose in this life? Things like that.

Did you find anything?

 

[seabird]

even if we remove the hierarchy life will still be like this anyway.

Yeah true. I was digressing.

 

[seabird]

If you enjoy reading, this one (book*) is written with these kinds of questions. I've only gotten part of the way into it. Wittgenstein's ideas are sort of fun, intellectually, but I soon go back to my painting. These kinds of questions are what I brought up at the dinner table with my kids and their friends, lol, which my parents thought was horrible. But why not be honest with each other. I wanted them to have the choice to be inner directed individuals - not stuck following society's farts and sparkles.

Nietzsche was trying to get us to think for ourselves and stay away from certain kinds thoughts and belief which lead to si. But in the end and in the moment, it's down to what we decide to do with ourselves.

* Philosophical Perspectives on Suicide: Kant, Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, and Wittgenstein by Paulo Stellino

 

[puffymilk]

Did you find anything?

I haven’t found anything, unfortunately

 

[puffymilk]

If you enjoy reading, this one (book*) is written with these kinds of questions. I've only gotten part of the way into it. Wittgenstein's ideas are sort of fun, intellectually, but I soon go back to my painting. These kinds of questions are what I brought up at the dinner table with my kids and their friends, lol, which my parents thought was horrible. But why not be honest with each other. I wanted them to have the choice to be inner directed individuals - not stuck following society's farts and sparkles.

Nietzsche was trying to get us to think for ourselves and stay away from certain kinds thoughts and belief which lead to si. But in the end and in the moment, it's down to what we decide to do with ourselves.

* Philosophical Perspectives on Suicide: Kant, Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, and Wittgenstein by Paulo Stellino

I’m interested to read that!

 

[AvidFan]

I have a lot of moments where I am really in love with my life and never want it to end. I have a lot of moments where I wish I had a button to end it immediately. And plenty more moments which are probably more neutral or mundane. I used to really hate it when I was younger and confused and having to work at jobs I hated. I suppose as I've carved out a bit of freedom for myself in middle age, I've had more of the nice moments - ironically at a time when I'm aware the moments for me are starting to run out. So even nice moments are overshadowed by the knowledge of mortality. I do often question the sanity of the entire human thing!

 

[Jezah81]

I mean, do they really? How can someone enjoy life? Like, the normal life. Wake up, work 9-5, 5 days a week, go home, take care of things, take care of other people, go to sleep, wake up go to work...
I understand people finding one or two moments on their existence fun, but is it worth it? is it worth all this time and effort?
I am really thinking if we didn't just gaslight our whole species into thinking that, because it REALLY seems like it. And don't take me wrong, I have known love, I have known joy, I have known existence for all these years, and I have found that its... empty, lacking. Nothing could make it worth it, and I tried. Oh gods I tried.
After a while I begun to think the problem is just me, right? because its impossible EVERYONE be feeling like me and just go on, right? Then I find more and more and more people like me, and nothing makes sense. We basically continue on because society wants. Not because any of us want it. Its always for others. For my parents, my friends, for my partner...

Once my mother told me "having children made it all worth it". And it got me thinking, do it really? or is it more gaslighting? I find myself shudder on the though of bringing another living being into this mess. It's egoistic at least and cruel at most to put your whole life meaning and purpose into another beings existence.

In the end, I wake up thinking, should I really stay in this place? And I will go to sleep still without an answer.
Well, thank you for reading, and tell me, do you think we just gaslit ourselves into wanting this as a species?

I experience the same thoughts and feelings as you with the addition of physical pains daily and struggles . I never wanted to bring another human being into this miserable world . It'll have to end soon for me , as it's all too much to bare

 

[Survivorist]

Reminds me of a song - "Show me how to live". I think it's a fair question. But everything is just surviving, escaping death and trying to multiply as much as possible. We - on the other side - are conscious. That is the real problem.

To cheer up - here the question in musical form:

 

[Lexy-Time Waster]

Do you think ducklings and turtles and kittens have to worry about meaning? I wonder if they too had these questions once.

Talking about survival mode. Its something I lived with for 3 years, I do not recommend. You cease dealing with things, you cease thinking, everything turn into a mess, you lose control of every single relationship you ever had, everything you do is based on urgency and basic needs. It made me live in a hoarding situation with trash up the walls almost.

glad you are out of the hoarding situation, i was more on the side of being out in the wilderness with just the bare minimum to survive maybe like Hiking up the mountain with just a backpack for a couple weeks

 

[SillyOldBear]

I used to really hate it when I was younger and confused and having to work at jobs I hated. I suppose as I've carved out a bit of freedom for myself in middle age, I've had more of the nice moments

It seems, at least for me, that as you age the nice moments vanish faster than a politician can lie.

 

[Winslow]

I have achieved at least one goal. But the other one constantly eludes and frustrates me. Often times I even fall into despair but have to keep enduring, persisting. Persevering. Sometimes perseverance is all you have. At some point, there should be a breakthrough....I hope.

 

[lonelyguy_in_CoMo]

I see no point in existence. I didn't ask to be born! Now I'm hopeless, sad, lonely, unloved, older, ugly, and bored all the time

 

[Witty_Sarcasm]

Occasionally I do, if I can find fleeting moments of happiness. But most of the time I see no point to my existence. It's not a negative for the world....it's just nothing.

 

[snails]

I guess the thing is.. purpose. I think a lot lately about what I want to leave behind. My work is my purpose and it is all consuming. Others find purpose in family, friends, pursuing their interests I think. Community, that's an all encompassing one. It's hard to see purpose or a reason to keep going when you're excluded or depressed. I believe it's there.