Religious Views

[Entoloma43]

What I have to say is that a policeman that breaks the law exists, but isn't really a policeman. By definition, the police are to follow the law and enforce it. By definition, a scientist adheres to the scientific method. In either case, they can exit the confines of their definitions, but in doing so also lose the label.

Policeman - A man who is a member of a police force.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/policeman

A policeman who breaks the law would still be a policeman.


Scientist - A person having expert knowledge of one or more sciences, especially a natural or physical science.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/scientist

A scientist who doesn't fully adhere to the scientific method in all fields of life, still makes them a scientist. (In fact, it's very doubtful anyone at all adheres to the scientific method 100% all the time, thus by your definition, no scientists exist ever.)


What kind of odd definitions are you using, cause I've never seen yours before.

 

[Lovecraft]

Let me surprise you...

There is very rarely one exact definition agreed upon by all for words like scientist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientist

We can throw different definitions at each other all day.

 

[Atheist Demon]

I don't see how all TRUE scientist have to be atheist. The defination of ''science'' is the study of knowledge, anyone who holds and adds a qualm of data is a scientist. Since knowledge is a broad term of anything, any job that researches data is a scientist. Paid scientist try to discover the many questions of the universe. To me, it makes more sense if scientist are agnostic, cause agnostics don't deny the existance of god, but ponder at the question of his existance. But I can see scientist being Christian (or any other theistic religion). Cause some will use science to show the belief of god.

But we are getting away from topic, the discussion was about morality. Does the belief of god/s determine if people have morality?

 

[fromthatshow]

I don't believe morality is of God.
Morality is a completely social construct.
I don't think God gives a shit what we do with our lives.
He still loves us for always.

 

[Atheist Demon]

I don't believe morality is of God.
Morality is a completely social construct.
I don't think God gives a shit what we do with our lives.
He still loves us for always.

Then why would he send some of his creations into eternal damnation?

 

[fromthatshow]

Then why would he send some of his creations into eternal damnation?

That's bull. That wouldn't make any sense. Bible isn't the ultimate and final say on what God is even though many would claim it as such.

 

[HappyAZaClaM]

That's bull. That wouldn't make any sense. Bible isn't the ultimate and final say on what God is even though many would claim it as such.

in addition, the bible has been translated about 19 bazillion times, the
King James version being the most important "translation" to date.
and I would suggest using the word "translations" loosely.

Jews do not have hell as many christians do. the words mean something
entirely different in their original hebrew text. as for the new testament,
I have no clue. Jews do not accept the new testament as being credible.

it's all very complicated. too many people pay too much attention to
loud mouthed assholes spouting about everyone going to hell and so on.
case in point, our recent little buddy, freddie phelps.

 

[HappyAZaClaM]

I don't like English...

What I have to say is that a policeman that breaks the law exists, but isn't really a policeman. By definition, the police are to follow the law and enforce it. By definition, a scientist adheres to the scientific method. In either case, they can exit the confines of their definitions, but in doing so also lose the label.

you kinda don't like to admit when you said something dumb.
perfectly understandable. who does, right? but there is no way
you can talk your way out of this blanket statement......

There is no god.

There. I like nice blunt statements like that. Anyways, ya. I'm an atheist. I'm a scientist... But that's redundant

but you can try all day long and all night long for the next million years.
wouldn't it be easier to say "yeah, that was silly. I guess I'm in over my
head on this one. nevermind!"

If anyone wants to yell about atheism not being scientific, I will yell right back at you.

*shrug* no need to yell. it isn't that important. but it also wouldn't change the
fact that atheism is not ipso facto scientific. and none of this will change the
completely erroneous statement that atheist and scientist are synonyms.
give up. you lost. better luck next time. nothing personal by the way.
I just feel it's best to call people out who are throwing multi syllablatical words around
and not admitting to the erroneous nature of their erroneous statements.

I'm not trying to pick on you, but you're way off the mark on this one.
sorry!!

 

[Lovecraft]

but it also wouldn't change the
fact that atheism is not ipso facto scientific. and none of this will change the
completely erroneous statement that atheist and scientist are synonyms.

I never said they were synonymous. I said that a scientist was necessarily an atheist, but not vice versa.

Atheism is science, although there is atheism separate of science. Much like a scientist - one following the scientific method - agrees about gravity, they must agree about the god question given what information they have. It's put to the test; gravity succeded, god did not.

 

[hammockmonkey]

We should all just be Christian so we don't have to have this discussion anymore. And, if you're not Christian you should convert or die.

Logic says we should go with the simplest path, this is it.

A side note, atheism is not science it is a belief that there is no god.

Gravity? Please, there is no gravity. Rather, what we perceive to be gravity is really caused by the Earth accelerating upward at a rate of 9.8 m/s², thereby simulating gravity. This upward momentum is caused by a form of dark energy.

 

[ACRon]

We should all just be Christian so we don't have to have this discussion anymore. And, if you're not Christian you should convert or die.

Logic says we should go with the simplest path, this is it.

A side note, atheism is not science it is a belief that there is no god.

Gravity? Please, there is no gravity. Rather, what we perceive to be gravity is really caused by the Earth accelerating upward at a rate of 9.8 m/s², thereby simulating gravity. This upward momentum is caused by a form of dark energy.

my logic says your taking the piss

it also warned me i shouldn't of said that, so so much for logic.

gravity is a great equaliser, why its so vital isn't important, it can be abused, much like any form of energy.

 

[hammockmonkey]

My main point is we can make this all an epistomological argument about what we believe and what we know. They're different, just most people cannae articulate how.

Really? I was just taking the piss.

 

[ACRon]

probably, not relevant. point bieng logic has faults as a guide as it eradicates all else. humans cannot exist on logic alone.

 

[HappyAZaClaM]

I never said they were synonymous. I said that a scientist was necessarily an atheist, but not vice versa.

Atheism is science, although there is atheism separate of science. Much like a scientist - one following the scientific method - agrees about gravity, they must agree about the god question given what information they have. It's put to the test; gravity succeded, god did not.

ok :smile:

I like hammocks idea though. let's all become christians and kill all the heretics
then we can quit having this discussion :laugh:

 

[hammockmonkey]

is there a smite heretic emote?

 

[ACRon]

ok :smile:

I like hammocks idea though. let's all become christians and kill all the heretics
then we can quit having this discussion :laugh:

heretics?? you mean the aliens who escaped the covenant in halo 2?

 

[hammockmonkey]

They're on the list.

 

[hammockmonkey]

Oh shit, is this a serious thread? One that doens't appreciate the idiocy of these debates?

Okay. On topic, I'll avoid sleep deprived and liquor induced humor.

Religious discussions are ridiculous: whomever argues from the religious side their argument boils done to "I'm right because BLANK says so."

Athiest feel all self-righteous and shit and say "no, your wrong because you can't prove BLANK can be right, so HAH!" (you're life is a waste).

Religious2: Nuttuh! Both of you are wrong because BLANK2 is right, suck it douchebags.

Repeat Athiest (godtards suck)

Religious 1(3): Suckit shitslicks I AM RIGHT

and this continues . . . forever.

 

[Atheist Demon]

I never said they were synonymous. I said that a scientist was necessarily an atheist, but not vice versa.

Atheism is science, although there is atheism separate of science. Much like a scientist - one following the scientific method - agrees about gravity, they must agree about the god question given what information they have. It's put to the test; gravity succeded, god did not.

I am an atheist, but not because of science. To me science can prove the "existance" of god

We should all just be Christian so we don't have to have this discussion anymore. And, if you're not Christian you should convert or die.
Logic says we should go with the simplest path, this is it.

A side note, atheism is not science it is a belief that there is no god.

Gravity? Please, there is no gravity. Rather, what we perceive to be gravity is really caused by the Earth accelerating upward at a rate of 9.8 m/s², thereby simulating gravity. This upward momentum is caused by a form of dark energy.

How is that NOT an usual christian cliche?

ok :smile:

I like hammocks idea though. let's all become christians and kill all the heretics
then we can quit having this discussion :laugh:

How about we all convert to a religion more redicious than christianity, like Pastafarian?

Oh shit, is this a serious thread? One that doens't appreciate the idiocy of these debates?

Okay. On topic, I'll avoid sleep deprived and liquor induced humor.

Religious discussions are ridiculous: whomever argues from the religious side their argument boils done to "I'm right because BLANK says so."

Athiest feel all self-righteous and shit and say "no, your wrong because you can't prove BLANK can be right, so HAH!" (you're life is a waste).

Religious2: Nuttuh! Both of you are wrong because BLANK2 is right, suck it douchebags.

Repeat Athiest (godtards suck)

Religious 1(3): Suckit shitslicks I AM RIGHT

and this continues . . . forever.

Sounds more like christianity.

 

[HappyAZaClaM]

I am an atheist, but not because of science. To me science can prove the "existance" of god



How is that NOT an usual christian cliche?



How about we all convert to a religion more redicious than christianity, like Pastafarian?

I love pasta, especially cappelini. but, it puts on the tonnage for me.
so, I can't be a PastaFairyIn. nah, I wanna be catholic so I kin eat fish
on friday. them catholics gotta have a good connection for some primo
seafood. tis is a scarcity in phoenix. except for the rich and special people.
I think they're all mormons or baptists. hey, there's a thought!
I wonder what McCain is.