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When they tell you how they're feeling...

Raven

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#1
(Maybe triggers)

Here's the background: Because of the coming September 10th (the Teachers' Day in my country, teachers were celebrating), all the students in my school had to study without stopping for about 6 hrs. That was a painful experience with difficult math problems.
btw I remembered the World Suicide Prevention Day is also on September 10th. After thinking difficult problems for hours, I heard my one of my classmate told me she wanted to kill herself. And another one said desperately that he wanted to die. Maybe others will think that's so ordinary, or they just said that for complaining, even for joking...because nothing serious happened, no need "to die for".
But I thought a lot about this. Who will know if they're really suicidal and need immediate help, or just complain about the stressful schoolwork? That because I was extremely suicidal and told my deskmate about that before when couldn't stand the suicidal feeling anymore, but no one took it seriously.
That's confused. There is actually someone who's struggling with suicidal thoughts, and someone without serious suicidal thoughts. They said the same thing and that was hard to decide if you should help them, or ignore that because they're just "kidding". I wanted to help them, but they would be very embarrassed if they actually didn't feel suicidal at all. I'm afraid if I didn't give them the help they needed. I'm so sorry.
And that had effects on me. I just like to think a lot. I was reading English articles then, and I was deeply impressed (also triggered) by one of them. I really wanted to cry when I read the end...when the main young character with terminal illness, who loved life very much, died without any regret. I thought a lot, those unexplained thoughts...
So what would you do if others TELL you they're suicidal? I need to know more about what I should do. (because my dream is to found a charity about suicide prevention and mental health, and I don't wish to see anyone suffering, feeling the pain I understand.)
This thread can be a discussion. Or you can share your experiences too. Thank you so much!
 

Cagla

A worthless insect
#2
(Maybe triggers)

Here's the background: Because of the coming September 10th (the Teachers' Day in my country, teachers were celebrating), all the students in my school had to study without stopping for about 6 hrs. That was a painful experience with difficult math problems.
btw I remembered the World Suicide Prevention Day is also on September 10th. After thinking difficult problems for hours, I heard my one of my classmate told me she wanted to kill herself. And another one said desperately that he wanted to die. Maybe others will think that's so ordinary, or they just said that for complaining, even for joking...because nothing serious happened, no need "to die for".
But I thought a lot about this. Who will know if they're really suicidal and need immediate help, or just complain about the stressful schoolwork? That because I was extremely suicidal and told my deskmate about that before when couldn't stand the suicidal feeling anymore, but no one took it seriously.
That's confused. There is actually someone who's struggling with suicidal thoughts, and someone without serious suicidal thoughts. They said the same thing and that was hard to decide if you should help them, or ignore that because they're just "kidding". I wanted to help them, but they would be very embarrassed if they actually didn't feel suicidal at all. I'm afraid if I didn't give them the help they needed. I'm so sorry.
And that had effects on me. I just like to think a lot. I was reading English articles then, and I was deeply impressed (also triggered) by one of them. I really wanted to cry when I read the end...when the main young character with terminal illness, who loved life very much, died without any regret. I thought a lot, those unexplained thoughts...
So what would you do if others TELL you they're suicidal? I need to know more about what I should do. (because my dream is to found a charity about suicide prevention and mental health, and I don't wish to see anyone suffering, feeling the pain I understand.)
This thread can be a discussion. Or you can share your experiences too. Thank you so much!
I wouldn't think they don't have anything going on, I mean ..it's kind of assuming dear. Of course everyone has something going on and not everyone has mental illness but it doesn't mean the cold face of the reality didn't strike them hard and they actually may be really that bad. Because ... A philosopher named Wittgenstein had a nice example about that, a beetle example. A thought experiment. Imagine everyone on earth has a box and in that box we have a beetle, something we think is beetle. But no one can see anyone's beetle. So we kind of think the word beetle depicts an animal we have. But we actually have no clue. So that means dear, we are trapped in the world created by our minds perspective . But we never can know what's going on there, and the safest thing is to entertain every possibility . If they laugh out when you offer help, fuck it. You tried to do something. If they are really feeling that way, you may cause something better. You can never know. Whatever they feel, I think using these words " want to die.." underlines something deep and either they're suicidal or they have problems and need attention(see that's not a bad thing. They may feel unloved uncared. We all need attention) you may provide them that. I'm sure you'll do great!!! 💪
 

Raven

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#3
I wouldn't think they don't have anything going on, I mean ..it's kind of assuming dear. Of course everyone has something going on and not everyone has mental illness but it doesn't mean the cold face of the reality didn't strike them hard and they actually may be really that bad. Because ... A philosopher named Wittgenstein had a nice example about that, a beetle example. A thought experiment. Imagine everyone on earth has a box and in that box we have a beetle, something we think is beetle. But no one can see anyone's beetle. So we kind of think the word beetle depicts an animal we have. But we actually have no clue. So that means dear, we are trapped in the world created by our minds perspective . But we never can know what's going on there, and the safest thing is to entertain every possibility . If they laugh out when you offer help, fuck it. You tried to do something. If they are really feeling that way, you may cause something better. You can never know. Whatever they feel, I think using these words " want to die.." underlines something deep and either they're suicidal or they have problems and need attention(see that's not a bad thing. They may feel unloved uncared. We all need attention) you may provide them that. I'm sure you'll do great!!! 💪
Thanks for replying, Cagla! I love this opinion and I'd like to do like that, because I just can't agree more.:) They said that aloud, so they were feeling not good, or needed help.

(And sorry for those grammer mistakes I just found them...)
 

Cagla

A worthless insect
#4
Thanks for replying, Cagla! I love this opinion and I'd like to do like that, because I just can't agree more.:) They said that aloud, so they were feeling not good, or needed help.

(And sorry for those grammer mistakes I just found them...)
I don't see them so you're better at grammar 🙃
 

Raven

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#5
omg! spelling mistake! well I think my brain stopped working after those things...*facepalmgrammar grammar grammar...
 

Karlos

Well-Known Member
#6
So what would you do if others TELL you they're suicidal?
I would ask them clearly if they are actually suicidal or just "stressed out" and they really didn't mean it.
If they told me that they actually want to end their life then I would ask them about how long they have been suicidal and are there any other factors involved and try to get to the root cause of it.

I wanted to help them, but they would be very embarrassed if they actually didn't feel suicidal at all.
It's better to feel embarrassed when you're joking about suicide than feel alone and helpless when you're actually suicidal.
 

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