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Why do we hate ourselves so much we want to die?

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Fudgewobble

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That must have been very difficult. I'm not sure very many could forgive someone who knowingly ignored they were being regularly abused by a pedophile. I think her neglect is of a different order than your own parenting deficiencies. He probably sees you as a caring mom who did her best in difficult circumstances.

I understand you want a better relationship with your son, but you said yourself he doesn't feel you've done anything to be forgiven for.
You are right Clair, his words say that but his wall is so thick. I catch glimpses of the anger that he suppresses behind the wall and I've seen how his relationships are destroyed by that lack of genuineness.

However, you are totally correct in that I cannot heal him in my timeline. He will probably have his own life crisis that forces him to see how his behaviour affects people and will need to deal with that in his own way. I can just be around to be part of the process if needed and support him in ways I can.
 

Lara_C

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He will probably have his own life crisis that forces him to see how his behaviour affects people and will need to deal with that in his own way. I can just be around to be part of the process if needed and support him in ways I can.
That could happen, and he's very fortunate to have as caring and supportive a mom as you. Keep in mind tho that at his age he will have made wrong choices of his own which have led to his present situation, and for which you are not to blame. You did the best you could for him under difficult circumstances over which you had little power or control. There are wider influences on parents which affect children as they are growing up, so please cut yourself some slack.

Experiencing the consequences will lead him to mature and learn where he went wrong and what he needs to change about himself. You can't protect him from the consequences of his own actions, though being a mom myself, I well understand the desire you have for him to be happy.
 

Lara_C

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He is so much like his dad who always looked down on me, was extremely sarcastic and thought I was dumb. I left when my son was three.
I never feel in control of myself when I am with him. A little scared in some ways. OMG, I can't believe I said that
Sounds like this is a theme you need to explore more fully. Has he remained in contact with his father?
 

Fudgewobble

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He used to see him every school holidays until he remarried. Then it was less and less and then his dad hurt him badly on his 21st birthday by bringing an Army recruiting officer to his birthday dinner at a restaurant. The strange thing is he has never been without a job yet his dad told him he would never amount to anything so he might as well join up.
Nothing much since then for last 20 yrs.
 

Lara_C

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He still seems to have been a strong influence in your son's life then, at least in his formative years. Your son may well have modelled himself on him, and there could be a genetic component involved in personality formation as well. Do you think your son treats you in a similar way as his father treated you?
 

Fudgewobble

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He still seems to have been a strong influence in your son's life then, at least in his formative years. Your son may well have modelled himself on him, and there could be a genetic component involved in personality formation as well. Do you think your son treats you in a similar way as his father treated you?
Definitely! He raises the same feelings in me that his dad did. I've not put that in words ever before!! Maybe that explains some things. I was deeply filled with shame that I gave up on my marriage. Having been raised a Catholic, my family was not happy.
 

Lara_C

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Maybe that explains some things
I'm guessing it explains more than you have realised before and this insight is the start of releasing some of the undeserved guilt you feel over how your son turned out.

Also, I was raised in a Catholic family too and well understand the way the feeling of inherent unworthiness and guilt is inculcated from an early age by church ,school, parents and the wider extended family. Things have changed since those days, but I think you need to explore how your early conditioning is an obstacle to your mental well being. Those beliefs are still affecting you unconsciously imo and need to be brought fully to the light of awareness and reason before they can be thrown out of your mind and life.
 
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lonely1!

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I've experienced the same thing along with my parents treating my sister like the golden child and everything was my fault so I'm thinking that could be the reason why her and I don't have a good relationship.
I try so hard to think positive but when you have contact with the same people, your parents, that spoke to me in such a negative way it's hard to start to think differently.
When my mother gets after me for something I say it makes me feel like that little girl in the corner crying. Or my Dad always saying to stop feeling sorry for myself when I'm truly suffering. I'm 50 years old now and still can't get away from it. It will never get better for me , only until they die
 

Vanquished

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I have what is referred to as pre-verbal trauma. The extent of it is unknown, but the initial incident was being abandoned at birth. This particular kind of trauma there are no words associated with it. It's just an empty darkness and sadness that comes from the very core of my being. I can't explain it any other way than to say that. It often strikes out of nowhere. No trigger necessary. Hard to fathom, I'm sure. Once I was just playing a game. Mood was fine then out of nowhere I just crashed. I crashed long and hard. It was that unspeakable darkness, sadness and emptiness that consumed me. It's been identified as the pre-verbal trauma at work.

I don't know the circumstances around my abandonment, but I was told that I wasn't wanted. My adoptive mom told me that, but as it turned out she didn't want me, either, even despite the fact she adopted me. She may have chose me (actually my 'dad' did), but she never accepted me. I've paid a very heavy price for it, too.

She told me when I was 5yrs old that I was adopted, and when she finished explaining what she could she said, "So while you're a part of this family, you're not technically family." Some could think that maybe it was just a poor way of wording it, but I'm afraid her actions 100% supported her statement throughout my entire life until she died. And since then my brother and father have picked up where she left off without even knowing they're doing it. They adored her so fiercely I'm not about to be able to change their minds. They're not the type to be wrong anyways. You know the type?

For years upon years I would tell myself positive things about myself (despite the fact I've never amounted to anything), and I would remind myself that they just weren't taking the time to see or appreciate them. For a really long time it was that kind of talk that kept me going, but I'm afraid the emotional and mental beatings from them plus reinforcement of the childhood messages from those in a position of trust outside of the 'family' in recent years have finally taken their toll.

So not only was I rejected by my birth family, but I grew up living in rejection by my adoptive family, too. Guess you could say I struck out not once but twice when it came to parents. Aren't I the lucky one? I think it would have been difficult enough to suffer it from the set of one parents but two? How could one not take at least some degree of it personally? I realize it's on both sets of parents, but unfortunately I've had to pay for it. I'm the one not worthy enough to be loved or treated with respect.

Literally being abandoned creates a whole different world of issues that unless a person has actually experienced it there is no way for one to understand - even when it's spelled out for them. It's a difficult concept to fathom for most and understandably so. Much like it is for mental health actually. How often I read here that unless people have actually experienced it themselves it's difficult for those who haven't to grasp it. Abandonment, like mine, is the same way.

I've also experienced multiple other forms of trauma throughout the years. Thankfully I have words for those, but they all seem to reinforce all the crap messages I received from birth onward. I think it's safe to say that I've just grown tired of having to spend my life, time and energy trying to correct the damage others have done. I'm a strong person for having endured all I have, but my endurance has waned. I'm 47yrs old now, so it's not like I'm a youngster who's barely just begun. I've been at this for a long time. I simply don't have it in me anymore to keep fighting. I'm exhausted beyond belief, and simply can't do it anymore.
 
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